Tom Sacold wrote:
"Cast_Iron" wrote in message
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John Rowland wrote:

Hi all,

According to
http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/mayor...dec17_2003.jsp
, the public consultation for a westward extension of the
Congestion Charging area is due to start early in 2004.

The sooner it spreads outwards the better!!

(Just to get the discussion underway)




Yep. The sooner it gets out to all those London voters, the sooner Ken will
be out!


Ken Livingston (for whom I voted at the time) has done a great deal of
damage to London traffic. Thing is, that doesn't mean he made it better
for pedestrians, cyclists, etc. Keeping the traffic flowing makes for a
better environment; more stop-start motoring means higher fuels
consumption and more pollution.

A few years ago *nobody* jumped red lights, save a few crazy youngsters.
Now it is common practice. Ken's traffic management policies have
made London more dangerous.

--
Nick H (UK)

Nick H (UK) wrote:

A few years ago *nobody* jumped red lights, save a few
crazy youngsters. Now it is common practice. Ken's
traffic management policies have
made London more dangerous.

You must be living in a different London from the one I grew up and learned
to drive in. No one stopped when the lights went red, there was always a
couple of chancers and certainly no waited on the line for the light to go
green, Amber was always the signal to go.

Cast_Iron wrote:
Nick H (UK) wrote:


A few years ago *nobody* jumped red lights, save a few
crazy youngsters. Now it is common practice. Ken's
traffic management policies have
made London more dangerous.


You must be living in a different London from the one I grew up and learned
to drive in. No one stopped when the lights went red, there was always a
couple of chancers and certainly no waited on the line for the light to go
green, Amber was always the signal to go.



Our Milage Obviously Varies:-)

I do believe that Ken's traffic light timing fiddles have reduced
respect for traffic lights.

--
Nick H (UK)

In message , Cast_Iron
writes

Nick H (UK) wrote:

A few years ago *nobody* jumped red lights, save a few
crazy youngsters. Now it is common practice. Ken's
traffic management policies have
made London more dangerous.

You must be living in a different London from the one I grew up and learned
to drive in. No one stopped when the lights went red,

No one! Surely you don't mean that?

there was always a couple of chancers and certainly no waited on the
line for the light to go green, Amber was always the signal to go.

Again, I think you exaggerate. I've been driving in London for 46 years
and that has not been my experience. But I'm not convinced that
observance of traffic lights has become significantly worse in the last
few years - there are always a few fools who take a risk, and sometimes
they end up paying for it.

--
Paul Terry

"Paul Terry" wrote in message
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In message , Cast_Iron
writes

Nick H (UK) wrote:

A few years ago *nobody* jumped red lights, save a few
crazy youngsters. Now it is common practice. Ken's
traffic management policies have
made London more dangerous.

You must be living in a different London from the one I grew up and
learned
to drive in. No one stopped when the lights went red,

No one! Surely you don't mean that?

there was always a couple of chancers and certainly no waited on the
line for the light to go green, Amber was always the signal to go.

Again, I think you exaggerate.

Only marginally perhaps, but no more so than most people when describing a
particular aspect of human behaviour.

I've been driving in London for 46 years
and that has not been my experience. But I'm not convinced that
observance of traffic lights has become significantly worse in the last
few years - there are always a few fools who take a risk, and sometimes
they end up paying for it.


It was about any recent changes in behaviour that I was referring to rather
than in any absolute terms.

Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Cast_Iron
writes

Nick H (UK) wrote:

A few years ago *nobody* jumped red lights, save a few
crazy youngsters. Now it is common practice. Ken's
traffic management policies have
made London more dangerous.


You must be living in a different London from the one I grew up and
learned
to drive in. No one stopped when the lights went red,


No one! Surely you don't mean that?

there was always a couple of chancers and certainly no waited on the
line for the light to go green, Amber was always the signal to go.


Again, I think you exaggerate. I've been driving in London for 46 years
and that has not been my experience. But I'm not convinced that
observance of traffic lights has become significantly worse in the last
few years - there are always a few fools who take a risk, and sometimes
they end up paying for it.


OK, so I exaggerate somewhat:-)

--
Nick H (UK)