On 21/03/2011 20:41, Mizter T wrote:

On Mar 21, 7:02 pm, "Graham Harrison"
wrote:

The Olympics Ticketing website
http://www.tickets.london2012.com/ve...rt.html#t1says

"Spectators with tickets for Games events in London will receive a Games
travelcard to use on public transport in London on the day of their
event.

This will include London Underground (Tube), London Overground rail, DLR,
bus, tram and some national rail services but not the Heathrow, Stansted
or
Gatwick Express trains or taxis."

Which very nearly sounds like the Travelcard we all know and love but
just
maybe isn't (some national rail services?).

I think the point is that it'll also include travel on the (national
rail) Javelin service (St P - Stratford - Ebbsfleet) - yes the above
para isn't clear, but my understanding is that it'll be like a regular
Day Travelcard with some extra magic (Javelin plus the various Olympic
bus services).


Be that as it may, if I'm coming from an outboundary point (probably
Maidenhead but possibly Castle Cary) I might expect to buy a ticket to
BZ6(?). I've never seen an advance ticket Castle Cary to BZ6 (sorry,
I'm
being facetious) but does anyone know if the boundaries and rules
regarding
how tickets butt up against one another will work with games travelcards?

No such thing as a ticket from point x to Boundary Zone 6 except as
part of a return starting from London.

Note that applicants are being told it's a Zones 1-9 Travelcard:

"Spectators with tickets for Games events in London will receive a Games
travelcard for zones 1-9 to use on public transport in London on the day of
their event. This will include London Underground (Tube), London Overground
rail, DLR, bus, tram and some national rail services."

I sent this message to them: "You indicate that a Z1-9 travelcard will be
issued to spectators with tickets. Travelcards don't normally include the
High Speed trains from St Pancras to Stratford and beyond. Are these trains
included, and if so from how far out from London?"...

.... and I received this reply:

"Dear John,
Thank you for your enquiry.
As your enquiry is not related to ticketing, we have passed it onto the
enquiries team who will be in touch with you soon."

That was on the 10th March. I am awaiting developments...

On Mar 21, 9:07*pm, "John Salmon" wrote:

... and I received this reply:

"Dear John,
Thank you for your enquiry.
As your enquiry is not related to ticketing, we have passed it onto the
enquiries team who will be in touch with you soon."



rolls eyes

--
Nick

On Mar 21, 9:13*pm, D7666 wrote:

On Mar 21, 9:07*pm, "John Salmon" wrote:

... and I received this reply:

"Dear John,
Thank you for your enquiry.
As your enquiry is not related to ticketing, we have passed it onto the
enquiries team who will be in touch with you soon."

rolls eyes

rolls eyes at D7666

On Mar 21, 9:07*pm, "John Salmon" wrote:
[snip]
Note that applicants are being told it's a Zones 1-9 Travelcard:

"Spectators with tickets for Games events in London will receive a Games
travelcard for zones 1-9 to use on public transport in London on the day of
their event. This will include London Underground (Tube), London Overground
rail, DLR, bus, tram and some national rail services."

I sent this message to them: "You indicate that a Z1-9 travelcard will be
issued to spectators with tickets. Travelcards don't normally include the
High Speed trains from St Pancras to Stratford and beyond. Are these trains
included, and if so from how far out from London?"...

... and I received this reply:

"Dear John,
Thank you for your enquiry.
As your enquiry is not related to ticketing, we have passed it onto the
enquiries team who will be in touch with you soon."

That was on the 10th March. I am awaiting developments...

Worth remembering that Javelin in a rail transport context is a
trademark of the BOA (no. 2397248, covers classes 12 and 39), and was
registered to cover the special train service during Games time.

The Javelin service from St Pancras - Stratford - Ebbsfleet was and
remains a pivotal part of the overall games transport plan. It's not
clear how much of the SE Highspeed service will run during the games,
but the Javelin service will take priority. In this context I have
every expectation that the Games Travelcard will cover travel on the
Javelin - my understanding is that it will.

On 21/03/2011 21:21, Mizter T wrote:

On Mar 21, 9:07 pm, "John wrote:
[snip]
Note that applicants are being told it's a Zones 1-9 Travelcard:

"Spectators with tickets for Games events in London will receive a Games
travelcard for zones 1-9 to use on public transport in London on the day
of
their event. This will include London Underground (Tube), London
Overground
rail, DLR, bus, tram and some national rail services."

I sent this message to them: "You indicate that a Z1-9 travelcard will be
issued to spectators with tickets. Travelcards don't normally include the
High Speed trains from St Pancras to Stratford and beyond. Are these
trains
included, and if so from how far out from London?"...

... and I received this reply:

"Dear John,
Thank you for your enquiry.
As your enquiry is not related to ticketing, we have passed it onto the
enquiries team who will be in touch with you soon."

That was on the 10th March. I am awaiting developments...

Worth remembering that Javelin in a rail transport context is a
trademark of the BOA (no. 2397248, covers classes 12 and 39), and was
registered to cover the special train service during Games time.

The Javelin service from St Pancras - Stratford - Ebbsfleet was and
remains a pivotal part of the overall games transport plan. It's not
clear how much of the SE Highspeed service will run during the games,
but the Javelin service will take priority. In this context I have
every expectation that the Games Travelcard will cover travel on the
Javelin - my understanding is that it will.

Indeed so. I'm wondering why that wasn't mentioned at all in the paragraph
that I quoted. Not only should it have been mentioned: it should have been
highlighted.

"Mizter T" wrote

The Javelin service from St Pancras - Stratford - Ebbsfleet was and
remains a pivotal part of the overall games transport plan. It's not clear
how much of the SE Highspeed service will run during the games,
but the Javelin service will take priority. In this context I have every
expectation that the Games Travelcard will cover travel on the Javelin - my
understanding is that it will.

A passenger from (say) Ashford will presumably need to buy a ticket to
somewhere in order to use the Javelin service to access the Olympic site at
Stratford. At the moment it seems that potential Olympic ticket purchasers
are not being told whether 'somewhere' is Ebbsfleet or Stratford or St.
Pancras or even somewhere else. It certainly isn't clear to me, and I
consider myself reasonably clued-up on One-day Travelcards; perhaps I'm not
quite so clued-up on Period Travelcards. It's not yet clear to what extent
a 'Games Travelcard' differs in validity from the sundry varieties of
inboundary/outboundary Day/Period Travelcards.

The OP is asking a similar question re travel from Maidenhead or Castle
Cary; the answer to that is also unclear.

On Mar 21, 9:50*pm, "John Salmon" wrote:

"Mizter T" *wrote

The Javelin service from St Pancras - Stratford - Ebbsfleet was and
remains a pivotal part of the overall games transport plan. It's not clear
how much of the SE Highspeed service will run during the games,

but the Javelin service will take priority. In this context I have every
expectation that the Games Travelcard will cover travel on the Javelin -
my understanding is that it will.

A passenger from (say) Ashford will presumably need to buy a ticket to
somewhere in order to use the Javelin service to access the Olympic site at
Stratford. *At the moment it seems that potential Olympic ticket purchasers
are not being told whether 'somewhere' is Ebbsfleet or Stratford or St.
Pancras or even somewhere else. *It certainly isn't clear to me, and I
consider myself reasonably clued-up on One-day Travelcards; perhaps I'm not
quite so clued-up on Period Travelcards. *It's not yet clear to what extent
a 'Games Travelcard' differs in validity from the sundry varieties of
inboundary/outboundary Day/Period Travelcards.

I'd imagine that a punter travelling from Ashford (on whatever SE
Highspeed service is still running - I'm guessing there'll be
something from Ashford) will only need a ticket as far as Ebbsfleet.

Given that Southeastern does not offer Advance tickets whatsoever,
then the question of whether that punter should buy their Advance
ticket as far as Ebbsfleet or Stratford simply doesn't arise because
said tickets don't exist.

I *think* the Games Travelcard will be like a regular Day Travelcard,
albeit with a little sprinkling of extra magic - now you're making me
a bit unsure! (I can't see any reason why it'd be like a season/period
Travelcard though.)


The OP is asking a similar question re travel from Maidenhead or Castle
Cary; the answer to that is also unclear.

If I was the OP I'd just expect it to be like a regular Day Travelcard
- as there's no such thing as a ticket to BZ6, then they should just
expect to buy a ticket to London as per normal... except I know that
Graham buys about seven split tickets to get to London!

"Mizter T" wrote
I'd imagine that a punter travelling from Ashford (on whatever SE
Highspeed service is still running - I'm guessing there'll be something
from Ashford) will only need a ticket as far as Ebbsfleet.

It's now clear from the 'map' to which Chris Silke provided this link
elsewhere in this thread...
http://www.london2012.com/visiting/g...el-tickets.php
.... that Games Travelcards are *not* valid for travel to and from Ebbsfleet
International.

On Mar 21, 11:41*pm, "John Salmon" wrote:

"Mizter T" *wrote

I'd imagine that a punter travelling from Ashford (on whatever SE
Highspeed service is still running - I'm guessing there'll be something
from Ashford) will only need a ticket as far as Ebbsfleet.

It's now clear from the 'map' to which Chris Silke provided this link
elsewhere in this thread...
http://www.london2012.com/visiting/g...el-tickets.php
... that Games Travelcards are *not* valid for travel to and from Ebbsfleet
International.

Interesting - I'd been under the impression that Games ticket holders
would get free travel on the Javelin service from and back to
Ebbsfleet (as a P&R, or at least coach-P&R location) - they still
could do I suppose, albeit outside the remit of the Games Travelcard.
We shall see.

In message , at 21:50:28 on
Mon, 21 Mar 2011, John Salmon remarked:

It's not yet clear to what extent a 'Games Travelcard' differs in
validity from the sundry varieties of inboundary/outboundary Day/Period
Travelcards.

ATOC said that there would be special fares, valid for return home till
the following mid-day[1], I wonder if the Olympic Travelcard will be the
same.

As for the Olympic Travelcard being available only on "some" National
Rail services, that would seem to be a reference to the exclusion on
Heathrow Connect beyond Hayes. And the truism that you won't find trains
run by East Coast, EMT etc, because they don't have a stop within the
London area other than the terminus.

I wonder if they will make an announcement clarifying whether or not
split ticketing is allowed (ie does the train have to stop at the
splitting station).

[1] It occurs to me that they have an assumption people will only be
visiting the events for one day. That might be a result of a predicted
shortage of hotel rooms, or a view that most people won't be able to
afford (or obtain) more than one day's worth of tickets.

--
Roland Perry