I read somewhere that if you have a YP railcard linked to your oyster
card and you make a peak journey in the evening, you will be charge
the offpeak rate. The reason being is that if you purchase an off peak
travel card you can use it in the evening during peak time time. I
was surprised to learn that I made a journey from Kings cross (LU) to
Hounslow at 5pm and it charged me £4.30. It should have been £1.70?

Can someone please clarify.

In article
,
(GSV 3 minds in a can) wrote:

I read somewhere that if you have a YP railcard linked to your oyster
card and you make a peak journey in the evening, you will be charge
the offpeak rate. The reason being is that if you purchase an off peak
travel card you can use it in the evening during peak time time. I
was surprised to learn that I made a journey from Kings cross (LU) to
Hounslow at 5pm and it charged me £4.30. It should have been £1.70?

Can someone please clarify.

Briefly, fares are charged at peak rate in the evening peak but the cap is
set at the off-peak rate. I don't think the railcard actually comes into
it.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"GSV 3 minds in a can" wrote:

On Mar 23, 8:47 am, GSV 3 minds in a can wrote:
I read somewhere that if you have a YP railcard linked to your oyster
card and you make a peak journey in the evening, you will be charge
the offpeak rate. The reason being is that if you purchase an off peak
travel card you can use it in the evening during peak time time. I
was surprised to learn that I made a journey from Kings cross (LU) to
Hounslow at 5pm and it charged me £4.30. It should have been £1.70?

Can someone please clarify.

First off can you clarify the journey you actually made - which Hounslow did
you go to, one of the Tube stations or the National Rail station?

Secondly, are you sure it wasn't GBP3.40, rather than GBP4.30? GBP3.40 is
the peak zones 1-4 Tube fare (Hounslow Central & East are in zone 4, KX is
zone 1 of course).

You can check specific Oyster PAYG fares using the 'single fare finder'
he
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...inder/current/

In the 'Type' drop down box you can select "National Railcard" to show the
fares with the Railcard discount.

How it works is that there's *no* Railcard discount on peak single fares,
which are charged Monday-Friday 0630-0930 and 1600-1900.

However, all journeys made after 0930 are subject to the off-peak daily cap,
which is discounted if a Railcard is loaded on the Oyster card - if so the
zones 1&2 cap is GBP4.30, the zones 1-4 cap is is GBP4.80 and the zones 1-6
cap is GBP5.30.

The important point here is that there are two separate peak/off-peak
distinctions - one applies to single PAYG journeys where there's both a
morning and evening peak period, the other applies to capping where there's
only a morning peak period.

Therefore, it's possible to be charged a peak PAYG fare during the evening
peak, which nonetheless contributes towards an off-peak daily cap.

wrote:

(GSV 3 minds in a can) wrote:

I read somewhere that if you have a YP railcard linked to your oyster
card and you make a peak journey in the evening, you will be charge
the offpeak rate. The reason being is that if you purchase an off peak
travel card you can use it in the evening during peak time time. I
was surprised to learn that I made a journey from Kings cross (LU) to
Hounslow at 5pm and it charged me £4.30. It should have been £1.70?

Can someone please clarify.

Briefly, fares are charged at peak rate in the evening peak but the cap is
set at the off-peak rate. I don't think the railcard actually comes into
it.

In the evening peak, the Railcard still comes into it in the sense that it
means the holder is eligible for the Railcard-reduced off-peak daily cap.
However Railcard holders (who have the discount loaded on their Oyster card)
don't get any special treatment w.r.t. evening peak fares - it's full whack
for them.

In article ,
(Mizter T) wrote:

wrote:

(GSV 3 minds in a can) wrote:

I read somewhere that if you have a YP railcard linked to your oyster
card and you make a peak journey in the evening, you will be charge
the offpeak rate. The reason being is that if you purchase an off
peak travel card you can use it in the evening during peak time
time. I was surprised to learn that I made a journey from Kings
cross (LU) to Hounslow at 5pm and it charged me £4.30. It should
have been £1.70?

Can someone please clarify.

Briefly, fares are charged at peak rate in the evening peak but the
cap is set at the off-peak rate. I don't think the railcard actually
comes into it.

In the evening peak, the Railcard still comes into it in the sense
that it means the holder is eligible for the Railcard-reduced
off-peak daily cap. However Railcard holders (who have the discount
loaded on their Oyster card) don't get any special treatment w.r.t.
evening peak fares - it's full whack for them.

Thanks for a much fuller and clearer explanation than mine.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:

(Mizter T) wrote:

wrote:

(GSV 3 minds in a can) wrote:

I read somewhere that if you have a YP railcard linked to your oyster
card and you make a peak journey in the evening, you will be charge
the offpeak rate. The reason being is that if you purchase an off
peak travel card you can use it in the evening during peak time
time. I was surprised to learn that I made a journey from Kings
cross (LU) to Hounslow at 5pm and it charged me £4.30. It should
have been £1.70?

Can someone please clarify.

Briefly, fares are charged at peak rate in the evening peak but the
cap is set at the off-peak rate. I don't think the railcard actually
comes into it.

In the evening peak, the Railcard still comes into it in the sense
that it means the holder is eligible for the Railcard-reduced
off-peak daily cap. However Railcard holders (who have the discount
loaded on their Oyster card) don't get any special treatment w.r.t.
evening peak fares - it's full whack for them.

Thanks for a much fuller and clearer explanation than mine.

A rare moment of lucidity on my part. Never mind, that can soon be
remedied - it's almost midday and the Special Brew awaits...

In article ,
(Mizter T) wrote:

wrote:

(Mizter T) wrote:

wrote:

(GSV 3 minds in a can) wrote:

I read somewhere that if you have a YP railcard linked to your
oyster card and you make a peak journey in the evening, you will
be charge the offpeak rate. The reason being is that if you
purchase an off peak travel card you can use it in the evening
during peak time time. I was surprised to learn that I made a
journey from Kings cross (LU) to Hounslow at 5pm and it charged me
£4.30. It should have been £1.70?

Can someone please clarify.

Briefly, fares are charged at peak rate in the evening peak but the
cap is set at the off-peak rate. I don't think the railcard
actually comes into it.

In the evening peak, the Railcard still comes into it in the sense
that it means the holder is eligible for the Railcard-reduced
off-peak daily cap. However Railcard holders (who have the discount
loaded on their Oyster card) don't get any special treatment w.r.t.
evening peak fares - it's full whack for them.

Thanks for a much fuller and clearer explanation than mine.

A rare moment of lucidity on my part. Never mind, that can soon be
remedied - it's almost midday and the Special Brew awaits...

:-)

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Mizter T wrote

was surprised to learn that I made a journey from Kings cross (LU)
to
Hounslow at 5pm and it charged me £4.30. It should have been
£1.70?

Can someone please clarify.

Briefly, fares are charged at peak rate in the evening peak but the
cap is
set at the off-peak rate. I don't think the railcard actually comes
into
it.

In the evening peak, the Railcard still comes into it in the sense
that it
means the holder is eligible for the Railcard-reduced off-peak daily
cap.
However Railcard holders (who have the discount loaded on their
Oyster card)
don't get any special treatment w.r.t. evening peak fares - it's full
whack
for them.

The only addition is to note that if the evening peak journey is on NR
and is the only PAYG journey made that day it can be cheaper to buy a
paper ticket (since the Railcard reduction will be available for that).

--
Mike D

It's confusing, but there are two entirely different notions of
peak/off-peak used on the London network.

Each individual journey on Oyster PAYG is charged as peak
6.30am-9.30am and 4pm-7pm and off-peak at other times. The notion of
off-peak fares was new with Oyster (although the actual times have
been revised since launch) and off-peak fares were one of the carrots
used to drive Oyster adoption. The previous paper single tickets
hadn't depended on time of day (and still don't).

The daily fare caps on Oyster are charged as peak before 9.30am and
off-peak after 9.30am. This has always been the rule for Travelcards,
from which it was inherited - Oyster fair capping is essentially the
replacement for the One Day Travelcard - but the same rule continutes
to apply to One Day Travelcards, too, insofar as they still exist.

Railcard holders now also get a discount on the fare caps, by virtue
of the fact that they traditionally got a discount on One Day
Travelcards.

It does all make some kind of sense if you view it in the proper
historical context, but it's certainly not straightforward.

-roy

(Roy Badami) wrote in
:

It's confusing, but there are two entirely different notions of
peak/off-peak used on the London network.

Each individual journey on Oyster PAYG is charged as peak
6.30am-9.30am and 4pm-7pm and off-peak at other times. The notion of
off-peak fares was new with Oyster (although the actual times have
been revised since launch) and off-peak fares were one of the carrots
used to drive Oyster adoption. The previous paper single tickets
hadn't depended on time of day (and still don't).

The daily fare caps on Oyster are charged as peak before 9.30am and
off-peak after 9.30am. This has always been the rule for Travelcards,
from which it was inherited - Oyster fair capping is essentially the
replacement for the One Day Travelcard - but the same rule continutes
to apply to One Day Travelcards, too, insofar as they still exist.

Railcard holders now also get a discount on the fare caps, by virtue
of the fact that they traditionally got a discount on One Day
Travelcards.

It does all make some kind of sense if you view it in the proper
historical context, but it's certainly not straightforward.

-roy


Also bear in mind that the normal rules for the railcard don't apply when
using an Oyster card loaded with a railcard. So a Gold Card (which isn't
normally valid until 10:00 MF) will give Oyster discounts from 09:30 and
you get discount on Tube only single journeys (which you can't with a paper
ticket).

I havn't yet tried a journey before 06:30 but the TfL fare finder

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...inder/current/

suggests - bizarrely - that the off-peak fare with railcard discount will
be available.

The lack of discount between 4pm-7pm has caught me out a few times ...

David