On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:01:11 +0100, Hils wrote:

Chris Tolley wrote:
Hils wrote:
Odd how we read more about Asian [sic] women being "victims" than about
unemployed men.

I suspect that it isn't odd at all, but predetermined by our selection
of what we read.

Moreover, the women of Asian heritage who are driven to take their lives
often have been victims of abuse from an identifiable abuser, whereas
someone who is unemployed has rarely been victimised by one person,
unless you are going to lay the blame for their state at the door of the
person who puts the figures in the spreadsheet.

Semantic sophistry. Asian-heritage women choose to stay in abusive
environments. If some of them don't understand enough about British
culture or the English language to go to the police or social services
before they reach the stage of stepping in front of a train, the
questions to be asked are why don't they understand those things?


Asian-heritage women CHOOSE to stay

That ain't much of a choice.

Surely, they are FORCED regardless.

Mefinks one needs to be a little more culturally sensitive...

The unemployed people who "choose" (in the Daily Mail sense)
unemployment are probably those best able to handle it. Who knows what
they do? Alcoholics, druggies, dope dealers, cash-in-handers,
sofa-surfers, muggers, people with chronic illnesses which are not
recognised by the DWP but which are recognised all too well by
employers? The ones who become suicidal will, I'd guess, be educated,
perhaps ex-professionals who have already unsuccessfully applied for
hundreds of jobs or bright youngsters trapped in sink estates with no
"social mobility".

BBC headline today "Nick Clegg declares war on nepotism".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12962487

Good luck with that one, Nick old boy...

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:28:05 -0700 (PDT), W14_Fishbourne
wrote:
An FGW manager from Paddington might well have had to go to Southall

....for lots of reasons. If that leaves no-one in effective charge at
Padd, they need more staff there.

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

In message
, at
15:10:37 on Tue, 5 Apr 2011, W14_Fishbourne
remarked:
You say that it's no use another TOC honouring your tickets if you
don't tell people, but then you say that no-one trusts an announcement
anyway.

It's all very well assuming everyone has a season ticket, but other
people can have issues with changing route.

And not just the extent to which a train-specific advance purchase
ticket might be inter-available on another TOC, at another time, with
other train-specific connections further on in the journey being made
without news of the initial disruption having spread that far.

What if it's around 4pm and St Pancras has seized up. By the time you
get to Kings Cross or Euston your ticket isn't valid in the evening peak
(or they have different rules for when off-peak is).
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 20:49:52 +0100
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:44:05 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:22:31 +0100
Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote:
They may not even understand the language. How on earth do you suppose

They could always try learning it. Just a thought...

A bit hard when your husband has effective control on your activities.

Utter drivel. How hard is it to buy an english book, watch TV, listen
to the radio? And unless they had 2 minutes notice they would have known
they were going to britain and could have learnt some before they left home.
So stop making excuses for these people.

B2003

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:17:35 -0700 (PDT)
W14_Fishbourne wrote:
Don't be too hard on him. He's probably only 13 years old and doesn't
know any better (or a Daily Mail reader and ditto), and he never has
problems like this on his Hornby train set.

*canned laughter*

B2003

On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 20:52:45 +0100
Charles Ellson wrote:
main rail line for hours but in this country it just needs one jobsworth
plod and thats it for the day. In spain last year I drove past 2 trucks that
had collided head on. In this country plod would have closed the entire
stretch of road for a day - in spain the police were just waving drivers
past as they got on with their job.

Maybe the police knew enough of the facts (unlike yourself) to know
that no evidence external to the vehicles had to be gathered ?

What , you think a truck head on over here would have the police leave
a single carraigeway road open with traffic on it? Dream on. It would be
closed for a day minimum.

B2003

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:36:53 -0700 (PDT)
W14_Fishbourne wrote:
Apart from the inconvenience, lost business, pollution and a host of
other problems it causes, thats a number of police tied up for 15 hours, and
for what? So they can apportion blame, thats what. They're so desperate
to nick somebody they engage in this farcical behaviour. Its time the
home office stepped in and gave the chief constables a good slapping.

B2003

Actually, it was people complaining about the unfair difference
between the way in which the police and H&S reacted after railway
crashes (a long and painstaking investigation) and after road crashes
(a quick sweep up of the wreckage and reopen the road) that has led to
road crashes being investigated much more thoroughly. It is not
unknown for one person to kill another under the guise of an RTC -
just such a case is going on in Glasgow at this moment.

Unless that person was one of the little old ladies on the coach I think
thats unlikely in this scenario.

B2003

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 21:12:39 +0100
"Nick P" wrote:
By the way you tell it you'd be happy to ignore any chance of preventing
this happening again and let any possible guilty parties get away free. In
that case, why bother having police at all?

It doesn't take 15 hours to photograph the road, measure distances and
clear it. Witness statements can be taken after the road is cleared.

I do agree that 15 hours is rather long for a RTA investigation but I'm not
sure that many people were delayed for the airport. The crash happened

Well the airport isn't the only important destination for the M11. Its
the main route from london to cambridge amongst other things.

B2003

d wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:22:31 +0100
Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote:
They may not even understand the language. How on earth do you suppose

They could always try learning it. Just a thought...

So, let's transpose the situation. You've gone to Gazumboland on the
promise of a job, and you are met at the capital's airport by someone
from the firm you are going to be working for, who drives you to the
company's office. On the way, he kindly takes your mobile phone from
you so that he can fit it with the right kind of SIM for the Gazumbo
phone company. Except when the car eventually stops, it's not the
company's office, it's a shack about 125km into the back of beyond where
the only language spoken is Gazimbi and it is written in a script that
looks more like sparrow footprints than letters. Then it turns out there
aren't any prospects at all. And you never got your phone back. All in
all you reckon you want out. I suppose you could try learning the
language, but most folk would have other things higher on their list of
priorities.

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:39:33 +0100
Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote:
So, let's transpose the situation. You've gone to Gazumboland on the
promise of a job, and you are met at the capital's airport by someone
from the firm you are going to be working for, who drives you to the
company's office. On the way, he kindly takes your mobile phone from
you so that he can fit it with the right kind of SIM for the Gazumbo
phone company. Except when the car eventually stops, it's not the
company's office, it's a shack about 125km into the back of beyond where
the only language spoken is Gazimbi and it is written in a script that
looks more like sparrow footprints than letters. Then it turns out there
aren't any prospects at all. And you never got your phone back. All in
all you reckon you want out. I suppose you could try learning the
language, but most folk would have other things higher on their list of
priorities.

Well unless you're suggesting that ALL spouses are effectively kidnapped
and brought here then that example is ********. Sure, there are some but
we're not talking about them. We're talking about women (and some men) who
know full well who they're going to marry - whether they want to or not is
another issue - and where they will live long before it happens. There is
nothing to stop them learning the language first. If I went off to live in
India I'd make damn sure I had at least a working knowledge of Hindi or
perhaps the local state language before i went. Stop trying to excuse
lazyness or are you going to say that all the ex-pat Brits in the costas
who can't be arsed to learn spanish also have a good excuse not to bother?

B2003