In message , at 08:13:21 on Tue, 5
Apr 2011, Graeme Wall remarked:
This is very sad - but why so many at Southall anyway? It does seem to
be a regular occurance.

One theory I've seen is that many of the suicides are Asian women
escaping the torments of arranged marriages.

And for cultural reasons they may well find it much harder to seek help.

Southall, of course, having a large population of British Asians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/967153.stm

"Asian women are three times more likely to commit suicide than the rest
of the population."
--
Roland Perry

Body parts could be spread across all six tracks if a person is hit at
125mph.....it could also be a crime scene and the line would have been
closed by the BTP until they are satisfied with their investigations.
Then Network Rail has to clear all the body parts by bringing in the
Emergency Services. Only then can they start opening lines up.

If I get caught up in this sort of disruption, I usyally expect it to
last at least two hours - so try & find out from staff etc what time
the lines were closed & then work out my options.

It can take over an hour, sometimes two to organise coaches - hence
why it usually isn't worth it from Padd - by the time they are
organised and ready for loading, plus the travel time to Reading - the
lines are usually open - so best to wait for the trains to start
running. TOCs have to get you to your destination if you arrive in
good time for a train that would have taken you there...so there's NO
risk of getting dumped overnight *providing* you don't wander away
from the station for too long - you might miss the only train to go to
where you want to be. REfreshments withinn the station are fine.

Personally, my sympathies are with the driver of the affected train,
along with track & emergency personnel who have to pick up the bits -
not a nice job. It's something the travelling public have to accept....

On Apr 5, 9:26*am, Chris wrote:
Body parts could be spread across all six tracks if a person is hit at
125mph.....it could also be a crime scene and the line would have been
closed by the BTP until they are satisfied with their investigations.
Then Network Rail has to clear all the body parts by bringing in the
Emergency Services. Only then can they start opening lines up.

If I get caught up in this sort of disruption, I usyally expect it to
last at least two hours - so try & find out from staff etc what time
the lines were closed & then work out my options.

It can take over an hour, sometimes two to organise coaches - hence
why it usually isn't worth it from Padd - by the time they are
organised and ready for loading, plus the travel time to Reading - the
lines are usually open - so best to wait for the trains to start
running. TOCs have to get you to your destination if you arrive in
good time for a train that would have taken you there...so there's NO
risk of getting dumped overnight *providing* you don't wander away
from the station for too long - you might miss the only train to go to
where you want to be. REfreshments withinn the station are fine.

Personally, my sympathies are with the driver of the affected train,
along with track & emergency personnel who have to pick up the bits -
not a nice job. It's something the travelling public have to accept....

Buses to Reading, for those missing last trains to S Wales, Plymouth
etc) might be part of the answer?

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 01:26:43 -0700 (PDT)
Chris wrote:
Body parts could be spread across all six tracks if a person is hit at
125mph.....it could also be a crime scene and the line would have been
closed by the BTP until they are satisfied with their investigations.

Thats the trouble with the police in this country - every accident is a crime
scene until proven otherwise no matter how trivial or how much distruption it
causes. In europe you need a bloody good reason to close an entire motorway or
main rail line for hours but in this country it just needs one jobsworth
plod and thats it for the day. In spain last year I drove past 2 trucks that
had collided head on. In this country plod would have closed the entire
stretch of road for a day - in spain the police were just waving drivers
past as they got on with their job.

B2003

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:04:39 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 01:26:43 -0700 (PDT)
Chris wrote:
Body parts could be spread across all six tracks if a person is hit at
125mph.....it could also be a crime scene and the line would have been
closed by the BTP until they are satisfied with their investigations.

Thats the trouble with the police in this country - every accident is a crime
scene until proven otherwise no matter how trivial or how much distruption it
causes. In europe you need a bloody good reason to close an entire motorway or
main rail line for hours but in this country it just needs one jobsworth
plod and thats it for the day. In spain last year I drove past 2 trucks that
had collided head on. In this country plod would have closed the entire
stretch of road for a day - in spain the police were just waving drivers
past as they got on with their job.

Maybe the police knew enough of the facts (unlike yourself) to know
that no evidence external to the vehicles had to be gathered ?

On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 20:52:45 +0100
Charles Ellson wrote:
main rail line for hours but in this country it just needs one jobsworth
plod and thats it for the day. In spain last year I drove past 2 trucks that
had collided head on. In this country plod would have closed the entire
stretch of road for a day - in spain the police were just waving drivers
past as they got on with their job.

Maybe the police knew enough of the facts (unlike yourself) to know
that no evidence external to the vehicles had to be gathered ?

What , you think a truck head on over here would have the police leave
a single carraigeway road open with traffic on it? Dream on. It would be
closed for a day minimum.

B2003

On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 08:52:42 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 20:52:45 +0100
Charles Ellson wrote:
main rail line for hours but in this country it just needs one jobsworth
plod and thats it for the day. In spain last year I drove past 2 trucks that
had collided head on. In this country plod would have closed the entire
stretch of road for a day - in spain the police were just waving drivers
past as they got on with their job.

Maybe the police knew enough of the facts (unlike yourself) to know
that no evidence external to the vehicles had to be gathered ?

What , you think a truck head on over here would have the police leave
a single carraigeway road open with traffic on it? Dream on. It would be
closed for a day minimum.

Only one of the several accidents I have assisted at have involved a
road closure and it was not the one involving two fatalities; there is
no practical reason to stop traffic which is not interfering with the
proceedings and which can be safely guided past.

In article ,
Chris wrote:
TOCs have to get you to your destination if you arrive in
good time for a train that would have taken you there...so there's NO
risk of getting dumped overnight *providing* you don't wander away
from the station for too long - you might miss the only train to go to
where you want to be. REfreshments withinn the station are fine.

Interesting. I knew that the railway would assist if you miss the
last connection or, indeed, if there is a very long wait before the
next connection (is the cutoff 2 hours or some such).

But if your train fails to actually depart from the station you are
ticketed to travel from, are you saying the same applies? That's
useful information if so - I'd somehow always thought that in that
case all you were entitled to was a refund. Maybe the refund case
only applies to delays (where it's your choice whether to wait, or to
choose not to travel) but cancelled last trains are subject to
different arrangements?

-roy

On 05/04/2011 08:59, Hils wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:13:21 on Tue, 5
Apr 2011, Graeme Wall remarked:
This is very sad - but why so many at Southall anyway? It does seem to
be a regular occurance.

One theory I've seen is that many of the suicides are Asian women
escaping the torments of arranged marriages.

And for cultural reasons they may well find it much harder to seek help.

Southall, of course, having a large population of British Asians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/967153.stm

"Asian women are three times more likely to commit suicide than the
rest of the population."

"One study found that the suicide rate in women aged 16-24 years was
three times higher in women of Asian origin than in white British women.
[...] Asian men appear to be far less vulnerable to suicide than young
men from white British backgrounds."

(The suicide rate among white British women is lower than in the general
population. The suicide rate among men is more than three times that
among women.)

Actually the male suicide rate is three times that of women, not more
than three.


"[The] risk of suicide in unemployed men is two to three times higher
than in the general population."

http://www.mind.org.uk/help/research...ion_strategies


Odd how we read more about Asian [sic] women being "victims" than about
unemployed men.

Admittedly only a quick read but I see no reference to 'victims' in that
article.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

Hils wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:13:21 on Tue, 5
Apr 2011, Graeme Wall remarked:
This is very sad - but why so many at Southall anyway? It does seem to
be a regular occurance.

One theory I've seen is that many of the suicides are Asian women
escaping the torments of arranged marriages.

And for cultural reasons they may well find it much harder to seek help.

Southall, of course, having a large population of British Asians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/967153.stm

"Asian women are three times more likely to commit suicide than the rest
of the population."

"One study found that the suicide rate in women aged 16-24 years was
three times higher in women of Asian origin than in white British women.
[...] Asian men appear to be far less vulnerable to suicide than young
men from white British backgrounds."

(The suicide rate among white British women is lower than in the general
population. The suicide rate among men is more than three times that
among women.)

"[The] risk of suicide in unemployed men is two to three times higher
than in the general population."

http://www.mind.org.uk/help/research...ion_strategies

Odd how we read more about Asian [sic] women being "victims" than about
unemployed men.

I suspect that it isn't odd at all, but predetermined by our selection
of what we read.

Moreover, the women of Asian heritage who are driven to take their lives
often have been victims of abuse from an identifiable abuser, whereas
someone who is unemployed has rarely been victimised by one person,
unless you are going to lay the blame for their state at the door of the
person who puts the figures in the spreadsheet.

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