In article , ()
wrote:

You didn't make any mistake this member of staff did, ask for his name
and report him to LU/TFL.

The only restriction is on flash photography.

IMHO, many of them enjoy intimidating passengers in order to feel
powerful.

Too true, especially of cyclists. I had some pretty offensive treatment
from a SWT guard with my bike between Wandsworth Town and Putney.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Apr 12, 10:27*pm, wrote:
In article , ()
wrote:

You didn't make any mistake this member of staff did, ask for his name
and report him to LU/TFL.

The only restriction is on flash photography.

IMHO, many of them enjoy intimidating passengers in order to feel
powerful.

Too true, especially of cyclists. I had some pretty offensive treatment
from a SWT guard with my bike between Wandsworth Town and Putney.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On the other hand last week there was a SWT guard on the train from
Feltham to Waterloo who kept passengers amused by making humorous
announcements. One of his more serious ones was that he would get
seriously upset if he caught anyone with their feet up on the opposite
seat. He got a rousing cheer at that. When people left they thanked
him. CJB.

In article
,
(CJB) wrote:

On Apr 12, 10:27*pm, wrote:
In article ,
() wrote:

You didn't make any mistake this member of staff did, ask for his
name and report him to LU/TFL.

The only restriction is on flash photography.

IMHO, many of them enjoy intimidating passengers in order to feel
powerful.

Too true, especially of cyclists. I had some pretty offensive
treatment from a SWT guard with my bike between Wandsworth Town and
Putney.

On the other hand last week there was a SWT guard on the train from
Feltham to Waterloo who kept passengers amused by making humorous
announcements. One of his more serious ones was that he would get
seriously upset if he caught anyone with their feet up on the
opposite
seat. He got a rousing cheer at that. When people left they thanked
him. CJB.

I think I must have travelled on his train in the past.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message
, CJB
writes

On the other hand last week there was a SWT guard on the train from
Feltham to Waterloo who kept passengers amused by making humorous
announcements. One of his more serious ones was that he would get
seriously upset if he caught anyone with their feet up on the opposite
seat. He got a rousing cheer at that.

I've heard some good announcements on the SWT loop lines, ranging from a
good history of the ramps between Putney and Wandsworth Town, to an
almost interminable exposition of the variety of destinations reachable
from Clapham Junction, relieved only by details of the likely platform
needed for each destination (the latter announcement hadn't even been
finished by the time we pulled away from CJ).
--
Paul Terry

On Apr 12, 10:27*pm, wrote:

In article , ()
wrote:
[staff]
IMHO, many of them enjoy intimidating passengers in order to feel
powerful.

Too true, especially of cyclists. I had some pretty offensive treatment
from a SWT guard with my bike between Wandsworth Town and Putney.

What happened?

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Apr 12, 10:27*pm, wrote:

In article ,
() wrote:
[staff]
IMHO, many of them enjoy intimidating passengers in order to feel
powerful.

Too true, especially of cyclists. I had some pretty offensive
treatment from a SWT guard with my bike between Wandsworth Town and
Putney.

What happened?

He got very huffy because my bike was in the doorway which he wanted to
open the doors from at Putney, starting as the train left Wandsworth Town
(where he had used another doorway), long before he needed to get me out
of my seat to move it. He was very unpleasant about it. Taking a bike on
slow trains from Vauxhall to Putney is a bit of a pain because the side
the doors open on keeps changing from one station to the next. There are
bike spaces in class 450 trains with tip-up seats but even well into the
evening or mid-afternoon you try shifting someone sitting in one of them.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:00:40 -0500
wrote:
He got very huffy because my bike was in the doorway which he wanted to
open the doors from at Putney, starting as the train left Wandsworth Town
(where he had used another doorway), long before he needed to get me out
of my seat to move it. He was very unpleasant about it. Taking a bike on
slow trains from Vauxhall to Putney is a bit of a pain because the side
the doors open on keeps changing from one station to the next. There are
bike spaces in class 450 trains with tip-up seats but even well into the
evening or mid-afternoon you try shifting someone sitting in one of them.

Having had the misfortune of clambouring past a couple of his-n-hers bikes
blocking a doorway on a cambridge service recently I can rather share his
frustration. If you're going to take a bike on a commuter train take a fold-up.
Large suitcases are bad enough but a bike with dirty wheel and a greasy
chain getting in your way is just taking the ****.

B2003

In message , at 08:36:38 on Thu, 14 Apr
2011, d remarked:

He got very huffy because my bike was in the doorway which he wanted to
open the doors from at Putney, starting as the train left Wandsworth Town
(where he had used another doorway), long before he needed to get me out
of my seat to move it. He was very unpleasant about it. Taking a bike on
slow trains from Vauxhall to Putney is a bit of a pain because the side
the doors open on keeps changing from one station to the next. There are
bike spaces in class 450 trains with tip-up seats but even well into the
evening or mid-afternoon you try shifting someone sitting in one of them.

Having had the misfortune of clambouring past a couple of his-n-hers bikes
blocking a doorway on a cambridge service recently I can rather share his
frustration. If you're going to take a bike on a commuter train take a fold-up.
Large suitcases are bad enough but a bike with dirty wheel and a greasy
chain getting in your way is just taking the ****.

Colin's miffed because he would claim that he's a good guy and will get
out of his seat and move the bike on approach to a station where it's
now in the doorway on the platform side.

But many people are not as considerate, and if the vestibule was full of
standing passengers, then neither of his actions would be very easy.

He might even claim that if the train was that full he'd not try to park
the bike in such a vestibule - I'm not sure.

But in the race-to-the-bottom which characterises so much of modern
life, the guard can't assume anyone will act the good guy. Indeed, on
one of my most recent trips someone parked a disabled scooter in a
dorway and then went and hid, leaving a substantial obstacle in the way
of both passengers and their luggage.

Later in the same trip, after the scooter had gone, a lycra-clad cyclist
had to literally force his way onto the train it was that crowded.
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:50:18 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
Later in the same trip, after the scooter had gone, a lycra-clad cyclist
had to literally force his way onto the train it was that crowded.

Given the conditions on the tubes and trains these days and the number of
inconsiderate arseholes who won't move down, let other people pass without
a shove or take up half of the seat either side of them with elbows or legs
I'm surprised we don't hear about frequent rush hour punch-ups.

B2003

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at 08:36:38 on Thu, 14
Apr 2011, d remarked:

He got very huffy because my bike was in the doorway which he wanted
to open the doors from at Putney, starting as the train left
Wandsworth Town (where he had used another doorway), long before he
needed to get me out of my seat to move it. He was very unpleasant
about it. Taking a bike on slow trains from Vauxhall to Putney is a
bit of a pain because the side the doors open on keeps changing from
one station to the next. There are bike spaces in class 450 trains
with tip-up seats but even well into the evening or mid-afternoon you
try shifting someone sitting in one of them.

Having had the misfortune of clambouring past a couple of his-n-hers
bikes blocking a doorway on a cambridge service recently I can rather
share his frustration. If you're going to take a bike on a commuter
train take a fold-up. Large suitcases are bad enough but a bike with
dirty wheel and a greasy chain getting in your way is just taking
the ****.

Colin's miffed because he would claim that he's a good guy and will
get out of his seat and move the bike on approach to a station
where it's now in the doorway on the platform side.

Indeed.It's a right pain on the 09:20 from Cambridge to King's Cross since
they added the Royston and Letchworth stops.

But many people are not as considerate, and if the vestibule was
full of standing passengers, then neither of his actions would be
very easy.

In such cases I always stand with the bike anyway.

He might even claim that if the train was that full he'd not try to
park the bike in such a vestibule - I'm not sure.

in class 450s I try to get in the marked bike space but passengers don't
usually agree.

But in the race-to-the-bottom which characterises so much of modern
life, the guard can't assume anyone will act the good guy. Indeed,
on one of my most recent trips someone parked a disabled scooter in
a dorway and then went and hid, leaving a substantial obstacle in
the way of both passengers and their luggage.

Later in the same trip, after the scooter had gone, a lycra-clad
cyclist had to literally force his way onto the train it was that
crowded.

Not a problem on King's Cross trains though I try to get to the station
early to get the bike out of the way before the crowds if any arrive.

--
Colin Rosenstiel