On 2011-04-12 23:28:03 +0100, Bruce said:

Scott wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 21:02:00 +0100, Bruce
wrote:
Scott wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 03:07:42 -0700 (PDT), George
wrote:

Ticket gates are being installed on platforms 1 and 2 and 5 and 6.
There is a FFC poster about the supposed link between crime and
ticketless travel, presumably FCC think a large number of their
customers are criminals although obviously said criminals don't use
platforms 3 and 4 at Finsbury Park. Why don't FCC just tell the truth
and say they are trying to maximise their revenue and honest
passengers will be delayed as a result, and also add that it isn't
cost effective to install ticket gates on platforms 3 and 4?

In my experience of travelling on a different First Group franchise,
there certainly appears observationally to be a correlation between
antisocial behaviour an non-possession of a ticket. Why are people
randomly moving from one part of a train to another when the ticket
examiner appears?


Nothing random about it, surely?

Yes, I realised that as I pressed the send key :-) I meant to say
'apparently random'.


It's funny how people who are trying to look inconspicuous actually
look quite conspicuous. ;-)

And the converse - try to look conspicuous by wearing a hi-vis vest and
nobody notices you, whatever you're up to.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:04:52 +0100
Walter Briscoe wrote:
Finsbury Park (FPK) is special. If you touch out at FPK and later touch
out at another station, you are charged for one journey. If you touch
out at FPK, a second touch at FPK within 30 minutes is ignored. A second
touch after more than 30 minutes is a touch in.

Thats probably how it works in theory. I wonder in practice?

When I worked in the centre I occasionally used to get off the piccadilly line
at finsbury if it was ****ed and get FCC to palmers green where I touched out.
If I was doing that journey now with a PAYG I'd touch out at finsbury and
simply wouldn't bother to touch out at palmers and frankly FCC could GFT.

B2003

Walter Briscoe wrote in
:

I saw the new gates being constructed. There is a passenger holding
area about 3m deep at the top of the stairs. I imagine the gates will
be locked open for Arsenal home matches. I don't know if anything
special is done at Drayton Park for such congregations.

Yes: they shut the station and make people walk to FP. Which is fair enough
- it really doesn't have the capacity to accommodate a footy crowd safely.

JB

On 13 Apr, 10:14, John B wrote:
Walter Briscoe wrote :

I saw the new gates being constructed. There is a passenger holding
area about 3m deep at the top of the stairs. I imagine the gates will
be locked open for Arsenal home matches. I don't know if anything
special is done at Drayton Park for such congregations.

Yes: they shut the station and make people walk to FP. Which is fair enough
- it really doesn't have the capacity to accommodate a footy crowd safely.

JB

Despite all the waffle about crime everytime I've pased through
Finsbury Park in the evening the gates have been left open!

In message
, at
06:59:52 on Wed, 4 May 2011, George
remarked:
Despite all the waffle about crime everytime I've pased through
Finsbury Park in the evening the gates have been left open!

Same with the waffle about revenue protection. It's very rare I've taken
an early evening train home to Nottingham and found the gates operating
when I got there.
--
Roland Perry

"George" wrote in message
...
On 13 Apr, 10:14, John B wrote:
Walter Briscoe wrote
:

I saw the new gates being constructed. There is a passenger holding
area about 3m deep at the top of the stairs. I imagine the gates will
be locked open for Arsenal home matches. I don't know if anything
special is done at Drayton Park for such congregations.

Yes: they shut the station and make people walk to FP. Which is fair
enough
- it really doesn't have the capacity to accommodate a footy crowd
safely.

JB

Despite all the waffle about crime everytime I've pased through
Finsbury Park in the evening the gates have been left open!

One day I'll download the safety case for those gates... I am yet to
experience the new setup in either rush period and I can see there being
either a nasty accident (crushing, or someone falls down the stairs) or as
stated they will end up being left open.