On May 14, 1:44*am, wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

Never mind all the operating complexity, just think where the lifts go.
Those in Westminster are some way apart.

They should of course be designed to surface just behind the Speaker's
chair.

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, Matthew Dickinson wrote:
There is a validator by the lift. Apparently the plan is to move the
gateline when the station is fully refurbished. The lift also has a
street exit accessible by key only.

You mean the lift from the platform? I thought there were two separate
lifts.

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Offramp wrote:
One of the runsoff of fare evasion is that these two-step lifts are
thought necessary.

An in extremis example is at Westminster. There is no lift from the
street to the platforms; that would mean by-passing the ticket gates.
So there is a lift from the street to the ticket office level - one of
the shallowest lifts in London, I would think. It has the depth of
about a dozen steps.

Westminster lift 2; it has a vertical travel of 2.4m.

Of those I have data for, there are 8 lifts with a travel of less than
5m. They a

Hainault lift 3: 0.67m
Walthamstow Central lift 2: 1.47m
Westminster lift 2: 2.4m
Green Park lift 1: 3.0m
Southwark lift 2: 3.3m
Westminster lift 3: 4.0m
Westminster lift 4: 4.0m
Brixton lift 1: 4.6m

There is a similar sort of thing at the Borough
High St exit at London Bridge.

Lift 3, 7.26m.

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In message , Basil Jet
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If the lift had doors on two sides and sensors to detect people within,

I believe most lifts do, based on the tension in the cable.

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On Sat, 14 May 2011, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

In message , Offramp wrote:

An in extremis example is at Westminster. There is no lift from the
street to the platforms; that would mean by-passing the ticket gates.
So there is a lift from the street to the ticket office level - one of
the shallowest lifts in London, I would think. It has the depth of
about a dozen steps.

Westminster lift 2; it has a vertical travel of 2.4m.

Of those I have data for, there are 8 lifts with a travel of less than 5m.
They a

Hainault lift 3: 0.67m
Walthamstow Central lift 2: 1.47m

Wow. Lifts going over two metres, i think i can understand. But what are
these two for? Why were ramps not possible? Particularly for Hainault!

tom

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On 2011-05-14, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

In message , Offramp wrote:

An in extremis example is at Westminster. There is no lift from the
street to the platforms; that would mean by-passing the ticket gates.
So there is a lift from the street to the ticket office level - one of
the shallowest lifts in London, I would think. It has the depth of
about a dozen steps.

Westminster lift 2; it has a vertical travel of 2.4m.

Of those I have data for, there are 8 lifts with a travel of less than 5m.
They a

Hainault lift 3: 0.67m
Walthamstow Central lift 2: 1.47m

Wow. Lifts going over two metres, i think i can understand. But what are
these two for? Why were ramps not possible? Particularly for Hainault!

tom


Presumably it's the lift avoiding these four steps:

http://www.directenquiries.com/image...5-04-50785.jpg

E

On Sun, 15 May 2011, Eric wrote:

On 2011-05-14, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

Of those I have data for, there are 8 lifts with a travel of less than
5m. They a

Hainault lift 3: 0.67m
Walthamstow Central lift 2: 1.47m

Wow. Lifts going over two metres, i think i can understand. But what
are these two for? Why were ramps not possible? Particularly for
Hainault!

Presumably it's the lift avoiding these four steps:

http://www.directenquiries.com/image...5-04-50785.jpg

Believable!

It seems a bit mad that those four steps even exist. What are the spaces
on either side of them?

I suppose if you were building a station today, you'd strive to have as
few different levels as possible, to minimise the need for steps and
lifts, but back when many of our stations were built, bunging a few steps
in seemed like a cheap price for being able to make more use of space or
whatever.

tom

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In message . li, Tom
Anderson writes

It seems a bit mad that those four steps even exist. What are the
spaces on either side of them?

The problem at Hainault is that the Central line runs on an old viaduct
built for a little-used Great Eastern branch line. The following shows
the original tiny building:

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/thr...ult-Station%29

Much of the modern station has to fit between the arches of the old
viaduct and the main road that now runs past the station, so the site is
very constrained:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ha...n_building.JPG
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On Sat, 14 May 2011, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:

In message
,
Offramp wrote:

An in extremis example is at Westminster. There is no lift from the
street to the platforms; that would mean by-passing the ticket gates. So
there is a lift from the street to the ticket office level - one of the
shallowest lifts in London, I would think. It has the depth of about a
dozen steps.

Westminster lift 2; it has a vertical travel of 2.4m.

Of those I have data for, there are 8 lifts with a travel of less than 5m.
They a

Hainault lift 3: 0.67m
Walthamstow Central lift 2: 1.47m

Wow. Lifts going over two metres, i think i can understand. But what are
these two for? Why were ramps not possible? Particularly for Hainault!

At Walthamstow I believe lift 2 gets you from the gateline level down to the
uderpass going under the road to the bus station, about 7 or 8 steps.

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"Steve Dulieu" wrote in message
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Wow. Lifts going over two metres, i think i can understand. But what are
these two for? Why were ramps not possible? Particularly for Hainault!

At Walthamstow I believe lift 2 gets you from the gateline level down to
the uderpass going under the road to the bus station, about 7 or 8 steps.

There's a pretty shallow lift at Stratford from the Jubilee concourse level
to the Western subway - I reckon it's only a couple of feet. They are
probably more commonthan you'd expect.

Paul S