In message , at 13:21:40 on Mon, 6 Jun
2011, tim.... remarked:
I don't understand this "night" peak.

AIUI about 6 million people create the normal London peak flows. Even if
all of the Olympic venues finish late it isn't going to be more than
250,000, a fraction of the normal peak so why's it a problem?

Because many Intercity routes shut down too early.

Oh I see the need for extra trains.

It's any justification in calling it a "peak" flow that I can't see!

It's because everyone will be leaving the Olympic venues at pretty much
the same time, creating a genuine "peak" flow at about 11pm, it having
been quiet since maybe 8pm.

It just a later last train as is normal on New Year's eve. No-one calls
that a third peak.

I hope it's more than just one extra train! For one thing, as in my
examples up thread, they need to be taking people further from London
than is traditional on a train starting at 9pm+ (I recall when the last
train home to Westbury from Paddington was a party-pooping 8.30pm, which
isn't so much an issue of Westbury's distance from London (approx 80
minutes) but because it was going to Plymouth and was expected to turn
into a pumpkin at midnight.
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 13:21:40 on Mon, 6 Jun
2011, tim.... remarked:
I don't understand this "night" peak.

AIUI about 6 million people create the normal London peak flows. Even
if
all of the Olympic venues finish late it isn't going to be more than
250,000, a fraction of the normal peak so why's it a problem?

Because many Intercity routes shut down too early.

Oh I see the need for extra trains.

It's any justification in calling it a "peak" flow that I can't see!

It's because everyone will be leaving the Olympic venues at pretty much
the same time, creating a genuine "peak" flow at about 11pm, it having
been quiet since maybe 8pm.

It just a later last train as is normal on New Year's eve. No-one calls
that a third peak.

I hope it's more than just one extra train!

It will probably be one per "end of line". Is that what you meant?

For one thing, as in my examples up thread, they need to be taking people
further from London than is traditional on a train starting at 9pm+ (I
recall when the last train home to Westbury from Paddington was a
party-pooping 8.30pm,

It still is.

Westbury is a poor example. It's a tiny place that just happens to have a
main line next to it. There are bigger places in the area that get no
trains at all!

Places West of Westbury are served by later trains running via Bristol

In message , Roland Perry
wrote:
It's any justification in calling it a "peak" flow that I can't see!
It's because everyone will be leaving the Olympic venues at pretty much
the same time, creating a genuine "peak" flow at about 11pm, it having
been quiet since maybe 8pm.

In the 1910s and 1920s there was a similar late-night "peak" after the
theatres finished. There were even special services (e.g. Aldwych to
Finsbury Park).

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In message , tim....
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If (as hoped) all of the events sell out there will
be as many people travelling to these sessions as any other

No there won't. With the exception of the 9th August, any events
starting before 10am are in much smaller venues than the main Olympic
Stadium.
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Paul Terry

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
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On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 17:49:58 +0100, "tim...."
wrote:

I don't understand this "night" peak.

AIUI about 6 million people create the normal London peak flows. Even if
all of the Olympic venues finish late it isn't going to be more than
250,000, a fraction of the normal peak so why's it a problem?

I was merely relating what I have heard / read at work

I wasn't referring to anything you wrote.

I was talking about things that I myself had read in the press

tim