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Mr. Tuffey's advocacy of express buses is interesting - at least to me - because I have long thought that the massive expansion of bus services in the outer suburbs in recent years has been misconceived. Far more relevant to the transport requirements of most Londoners would be express buses. Travelling by bus in London is slow and frustrating, partly because our road system has been sabotaged, partly because buses are large and clumsy and partly because buses have to stop so frequently. On judiciously selected routes, express buses could for many people be a huge improvement over normal buses. Mr. Tuffey's idea about municipal bonds frightens me. This is a recipe for bankruptcy. Issuing bonds is a just another way of going into debt. Last edited by Robin9 : June 19th 11 at 02:49 PM Reason: inappropriate choice of word |
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Robin9 wrote:
I won't vote for any Liberal Democrat candidate and I wouldn't vote for Brian Paddick even if he weren't a Liberal Democrat. Might i ask, at the risk of going firmly OT, what your objection to Paddick is? Tuffey's advocacy of express buses is interesting - at least to me - because I have long thought that the massive expansion of bus services in the outer suburbs in recent years has been misconceived. Far more relevant to the transport requirements of most Londoners would be express buses. Travelling by bus in London is slow and frustrating, partly because the roads have been sabotaged, partly because buses are large and clumsy and partly because buses have to stop so frequently. On judicially selected routes, express buses could be a huge improvement over normal buses. I hope the selection won't be judicial. Judicious, perhaps, but i'd rather it was made by transport planners than judges! It would definitely be interesting, though. The outer suburbs are the areas where car use is highest, but also perhaps where it is least problematic - there are more roads and fewer people. Anyway, in inner or outer suburbs, where are these buses going to go? Into town, like the existing railway lines? Or to local centres? His site: http://miketuffrey.com/mike-tuffrey-...lan/transport/ merely says "Run express bus routes at peak commuter times, to speed people to work, and more orbital routes round London to relieve pressure". Mr. Tuffey's idea about municipal bonds frightens me. This is a recipe for bankruptcy. Issuing bonds is a just another way of going into debt. Presumably, the GLA already has ways of getting into debt - can it borrow from banks? Might bonds be preferable to that? Or would they be used in addition to, rather than instead of, loans? tom -- Don't believe his lies. |
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Later he resigned from the police force and again secured masses of publicity. He was soon announced as the Liberal Democrat candidate for the Mayoral election. His campaign seemed to consist mainly of making some rather obvious snide remarks about the other two parties. He had nothing new or constructive to say about the two big issues the Mayor Of London has the means to tackle: housing and transport. I sensed that the main reason he wanted to be Mayor was to be able to settle an old score with Ian Blair. All in all I formed the opinion that Brian Paddick was a publicity-seeking, self-serving weasel. Re judicial instead of judicious: Touche! A sloppy mistake, the result of posting hurriedly. |
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On 21/06/2011 21:59, Robin9 wrote:
I've never liked the man. I first heard about him when was a senior police officer in Lambeth. He was in the news quite a lot and I got the impression that this was by design. He got a lot of publicity by adopting a tolerant policy towards the drugs trade and he was not averse to being interviewed about this on the radio. Later he resigned from the police force and again secured masses of publicity. He was soon announced as the Liberal Democrat candidate for the Mayoral election. His campaign seemed to consist mainly of making some rather obvious snide remarks about the other two parties. He had nothing new or constructive to say about the two big issues the Mayor Of London has the means to tackle: housing and transport. I sensed that the main reason he wanted to be Mayor was to be able to settle an old score with Ian Blair. All in all I formed the opinion that Brian Paddick was a publicity-seeking, self-serving weasel. So what we need is a politician who doesn't want publicity, campaigns on something other than "well at least I'm not him --", has real answers to complex and long-standing problems, has no grudges, and is not a self-serving weasel. Could such a person actually exist on a non-trivial stage in a modern popular democracy? -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:58:21 +0100
Arthur Figgis wrote: Could such a person actually exist on a non-trivial stage in a modern popular democracy? Probably not. Most of the public are dumb - they don't listen to the arguments on both sides and weigh up the options, they just go with who they like or whoever "feels" right. Whatever the hell that means. You could have the worlds greatest economic genius , guaranteed to sort out the economy , but if he had a dull personality he'd almost certainly lose against a cheap showman like Blair or a talking head on a stick like Cameron. B2003 |
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Does such a paragon exist? Of course. We have innumerable good, conscientious people in this country. Unfortunately, because they are good and conscientious, they will never be adopted by the established political parties whose members want candidates who share their own mean-spirited prejudices and priorities. What we do not want is a self-serving professional politician who went into politics with no intention of working to make life better for the people but instead merely to further his career, to line his pockets and to indulge his prejudices. |
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What we do not want is a self-serving professional politician who went into politics with no intention of working to make life better for the people but instead merely to further his career, to line his pockets and to indulge his prejudices. So what you are saying is that Brian Paddick is no different from any other self-serving professional politician who went into politics with no intention of working to make life better for the people but instead merely to further their career, to line their pockets and to indulge their prejudices. I think there is another reason why you don't like him. Perhaps it is time for you to come out of the closet and tell us what it is? |
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Second, why have you failed to understand that the paragraph you quoted was a generalisation and was not exclusively about Brian Paddick? Third, if you are a Brian Paddick admirer, please put forward some arguments on his behalf. |
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On 22/06/2011 17:54, Robin9 wrote:
Arthur Figgis;120738 Wrote: On 21/06/2011 21:59, Robin9 wrote: - I've never liked the man. I first heard about him when was a senior police officer in Lambeth. He was in the news quite a lot and I got the impression that this was by design. He got a lot of publicity by adopting a tolerant policy towards the drugs trade and he was not averse to being interviewed about this on the radio. Later he resigned from the police force and again secured masses of publicity. He was soon announced as the Liberal Democrat candidate for the Mayoral election. His campaign seemed to consist mainly of making some rather obvious snide remarks about the other two parties. He had nothing new or constructive to say about the two big issues the Mayor Of London has the means to tackle: housing and transport. I sensed that the main reason he wanted to be Mayor was to be able to settle an old score with Ian Blair. All in all I formed the opinion that Brian Paddick was a publicity-seeking, self-serving weasel.- So what we need is a politician who doesn't want publicity, campaigns on something other than "well at least I'm not him --", has real answers to complex and long-standing problems, has no grudges, and is not a self-serving weasel. Could such a person actually exist on a non-trivial stage in a modern popular democracy? -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK What we need is a public-minded individual who recognises that publicity is useful but is not an end it itself, So the voters wouldn't have heard of him, while they would all know the bloke off the telly. and who has analysed both the issues facing London and what powers the Mayor really has and who has consequently worked out what issues the Mayor should concentrate on. While the person is working out the issues, his evil opponent is telling the world how he bites the heads off kittens, and the mud sticks (if it didn't, people wouldn't throw it). Does such a paragon exist? Of course. We have innumerable good, conscientious people in this country. Unfortunately, because they are good and conscientious, they will never be adopted by the established political parties whose members want candidates who share their own mean-spirited prejudices and priorities. More likely that such a person couldn't survive. Would a "good, conscientious" person even be willing push themselves forwards at the right opportunity (see any committee in human history)? Would they want to put their family through it? -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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