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We must stop this Oyster card rip-off in its tracks
Rosamund Urwin 20 Jun 2011 http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...cks/article.do http://tinyurl.com/oyster-ripoff I recently paid £1.90 to ride an escalator. Up and down, mind you, so that's only 95p a go. A few weeks later, I forked out £4.30 just to be allowed down some stairs. Had I stumbled upon the world's tamest theme park (the prices sound suitably extortionate)? Nope, my money was being pinched by Transport for London, taking its usual who-cares-about-passengers approach by making me cough up for its failings. Travelling on the Underground is miserable enough - with the heat, the delays and the joy of snuggling up to BO boy's armpit on a standing- room only journey - without passengers being regularly ripped off. Yet TfL has decreed that it can charge us up to £7.40 - no small sum - if we exit the same station we came in or if we commit that cardinal sin of the Oyster era: forgetting to touch out or in. On the first occasion I had turned up at the station, scanned the service information sign (a perfect set of "goods"), and scurried towards the platform. There, a train was waiting. "Happy days," I thought, with the smile of someone whose journey was actually going to plan for a change. More fool me. The train sat there for 15 minutes before we were turfed off and back upstairs, to see the cost of an M&S sandwich wiped from our cards. I was lucky: if I had been in there less than two minutes, that loss would have more than tripled. The second occasion was, in part, my fault. At a railway station my card failed to read but I walked through unaware because the gate was closing so slowly. Summoned back by a TfL man who demanded I swipe, I put my card to the reader and the maximum fare came off: the machine decided I was trying to get out. Given the often confusing rules and distribution of the Oyster readers, especially on the DLR and trains, being hit for the maximum fare is a complaint of almost every Tube-user I know. Passengers were overcharged more than £60 million last year - not a vast amount less than the £75 million TfL says that fare dodgers cost it annually. TfL does, of course, offer an avenue to get that cash back. But it isn't a quick process. Sometimes generous station staff will return the pilfered funds but normally they'll direct you to an 0845 number. The last time I called, I spent six minutes on hold enduring torturous lift music just to get back what was rightfully mine. Luckily for my Oyster balance, my time is cheap. Since I have watched every episode of Made in Chelsea so far, I can't really claim to be an "every second on this planet is precious" type of person. But for those with a lot less time than me I imagine that calling doesn't seem worth the hassle. If you do ring up, you only have a short window to pass through a particular station to have your money returned. For anyone who uses the Tube relatively rarely - I cycle most days - it is an inconvenience: you end up having to make a journey to get your cash back. With the RMT planning more days of strikes over the next two weeks, TfL's overcharging tyranny may seem trivial. But it all adds to the feeling that passengers are forever being short-changed. === |
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[snip - tale of woe]
A better idea would be a web form with which to make a claim for an over-payment (the justification for which should be immediately obvious from their logs of what happened), using the helpline is a compete pain - last time it took half an hour to get me sorted out. And also a means to at the very least add your refund to a pot to be collected next time you do a top-up. Having to visit a specific station within a week has tripped me up several times now. -- Roland Perry |
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On Jun 20, 7:16*pm, CJB wrote:
I recently paid £1.90 to ride an escalator. Up and down, mind you, so that's only 95p a go. A few weeks later, I forked out £4.30 just to be allowed down some stairs. I was charged a fare in Singapore because I entered the barrier line, found the bogs were outside it, left, went to the bog, went back in and travelled. FWIW, I think it should be free to enter and leave the same station within a time too short to have travelled, say 10 mins. Neil |
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On 21/06/2011 08:00, Neil Williams wrote:
On Jun 20, 7:16 pm, wrote: I recently paid £1.90 to ride an escalator. Up and down, mind you, so that's only 95p a go. A few weeks later, I forked out £4.30 just to be allowed down some stairs. I was charged a fare in Singapore because I entered the barrier line, found the bogs were outside it, left, went to the bog, went back in and travelled. FWIW, I think it should be free to enter and leave the same station within a time too short to have travelled, say 10 mins. Neil Ah, but that constitutes a potential "pass back over" fraud. You enter, stick the ticket back through an exit gate, wave at the paddles so they close, and then your mate enters again on the same card. Repeat process at end of journey. How often do you actually get gripped on the journey and so get picked up for doing this? If that restriction wasn't there, you can be sure the scrotes adn ungodly would find out about this opportunity in around 30 secs! Just my £0.02 Kevin |
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Kevin Ayton wrote:
On 21/06/2011 08:00, Neil Williams wrote: On Jun 20, 7:16 pm, wrote: I recently paid £1.90 to ride an escalator. Up and down, mind you, so that's only 95p a go. A few weeks later, I forked out £4.30 just to be allowed down some stairs. I was charged a fare in Singapore because I entered the barrier line, found the bogs were outside it, left, went to the bog, went back in and travelled. FWIW, I think it should be free to enter and leave the same station within a time too short to have travelled, say 10 mins. Neil Ah, but that constitutes a potential "pass back over" fraud. You enter, stick the ticket back through an exit gate, wave at the paddles so they close, and then your mate enters again on the same card. Repeat process at end of journey. How often do you actually get gripped on the journey and so get picked up for doing this? If that restriction wasn't there, you can be sure the scrotes adn ungodly would find out about this opportunity in around 30 secs! I can understand the scam that you think needs to be prevented, but the system can no doubt be set up to spot patterns of activity like that, and block the ticket if detected. -- ..sig down for maintenance |
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On Jun 21, 10:28*am, Kevin Ayton wrote:
Ah, but that constitutes a potential "pass back over" fraud. You enter, stick the ticket back through an exit gate, wave at the paddles so they close, and then your mate enters again on the same card. Repeat process at end of journey. How often do you actually get gripped on the journey and so get picked up for doing this? If that restriction wasn't there, you can be sure the scrotes adn ungodly would find out about this opportunity in around 30 secs! A different restriction could be that, overrideable by the person manning the gateline who would presumably see it being done, if a particular Oyster card has been used to enter that station it may not be used again to enter that same station for, say, 10 minutes. That way you wouldn't be charged for deciding not to travel, as at present you are. Neil |
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