In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

wrote:

Thanks. I was wrong. I thought the route included zone 3. ISTR an
artifice to keep fare levels up on the NLL. Wasn't Hampstead Heath in
zone 3 at one time?

Yes and also Wilesden Junction. IIRC both were moved by London
Overground.

But the ******* system charged me £1.90 at Putney from Highbury &
Islington via Willesden Junction (touched pink Oyster pad)and Clapham
Junction. That's all in Zone 2 so should have been £0.85 with Railcard
discount. The SWT man at Putney was completely confused. The Oyster
Helpline was helpless until tomorrow.

£1.90 is the direct fare. I thought the point of pink Oyster pads was to
avoid that?

While we're at it, why is the pink Oyster pad at Willesden Junction so far
from the NLL platforms? A right pain to go almost all the way to platforms
1-3.Luckily I had 10 minutes. If I had waited at Highbury for the through
train it would have been impossible. Not that Oyster took any notice
anyway. When I asked the TfL Overground assistance people at Willesden
Junction why there was no pad on that platform he said it was up to "the
Oyster people".

Oh, and the first two trains got terminated short of their destinations
due to faults. The H&C at Moorgate (driver advised everyone to tip out at
Barbican for same platform interchange) and the ELL at Dalston Junction.
There was another train waiting across the platform there, though it did
say "Out of service" until after it had set off.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article
,
(George) wrote:

On 3 July, 23:35, wrote:
Thinking of my travel plans this week I realise I don't know the
maximum journey times on Oyster, especially for Zones 1-2 and 1-3. Can
anyone point me to the information by the morning, please?

If you are going to travel around a bit in London the one day
travelcard would be the better option

Even if I stick to zones 1 & 2 I'm not going to do £4.30 worth of travel.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Walter Briscoe) wrote:

In message of Sun, 3 Jul
2011 19:11:31 in uk.transport.london,
writes
In article ,
() wrote:

Thinking of my travel plans this week I realise I don't know the
maximum journey times on Oyster, especially for Zones 1-2 and 1-3.
Can anyone point me to the information by the morning, please?

To amplify my question, I'm thinking of Kings Cross St Pancras to
Whitechapel, Whitechapel to Highbury and Islington, Highbury and
Islington to Clapham Junction via Willesden Junction and Clapham
Junction to Putney. The TfL journey planner reckons that takes just
under two hours.

Will an Oyster timeout cause me a problem?

Do I need to find a pink validator somewhere and if so where would be
best? Highbury and Islington?

Maximum journey times is at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14872.aspx.
It looks to me as if your peregrination is Within zones 1 - 2 100.
It seems you need to break your journey into two.
A simple touch out, followed by an immediate touch in, is USUALLY
effective. Occasionally, the equivalent of an OSI is applied and all
bets are off. It always happens at King's Cross St Pancras aka King's
Cross St.Pancras and I have seen it sometimes happen at London Bridge.
(I failed to get a satisfactory explanation from the Oyster Helpline for
inconsistent behaviour at London Bridge.)

Thanks for this. I wonder which is best of Whitechapel or Highbury &
Islington for a touch out and in? Neither seem to be on the OSI list. The
trouble is that will make two fares instead of one, £1.25 plus £1.25 as
long as I touch a pink validator to show I've avoided zone 1 on the second
leg. SO I need to exit at Whitechapel and find a pink validator at
Highbury or Willesden Junction. If I can do it in one leg it costs £1.90.

How are you avoiding zone 1 on the second leg? - bearing in mind that (I
think) Shoreditch High St is in zone 1.

--
DAS

wrote:

In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

wrote:

Thanks. I was wrong. I thought the route included zone 3. ISTR an
artifice to keep fare levels up on the NLL. Wasn't Hampstead Heath in
zone 3 at one time?

Yes and also Wilesden Junction. IIRC both were moved by London
Overground.

But the ******* system charged me £1.90 at Putney from Highbury &
Islington via Willesden Junction (touched pink Oyster pad)and Clapham
Junction. That's all in Zone 2 so should have been £0.85 with Railcard
discount. The SWT man at Putney was completely confused. The Oyster
Helpline was helpless until tomorrow.

£1.90 is the direct fare. I thought the point of pink Oyster pads was to
avoid that?

Alternative, non-zone 1 fares have to be specifically provided for in the
system - and in this instance there isn't a non-zone 1 fare from Highbury &
Islington to Putney. The TfL single fare finder will show you whether or not
there's "Alternative fares" available (based on different routes, possibly
involving touching on a pink route validator) - as you can see there's no
such option for H&I to Putney.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/faresandtickets/farefinder/current/

This is covered in the Oyster blurb:
---quote---
Travel via Zone 1
Some journeys have been defined as requiring travel via Zone 1 and will be
charged accordingly, irrespective of the route taken.
---/quote---
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/19798.aspx

The most direct route from H&I to Putney is undoubtedly via the Vic line and
Vauxhall, but a non-zone 1 H&I to Putney fare wouldn't be a completely
ludicrous addition to the system.

"D A Stocks" wrote:

wrote:

In article ,
(Walter Briscoe) wrote:

[snip]

Maximum journey times is at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14872.aspx.
It looks to me as if your peregrination is Within zones 1 - 2 100.
It seems you need to break your journey into two.
A simple touch out, followed by an immediate touch in, is USUALLY
effective. Occasionally, the equivalent of an OSI is applied and all
bets are off. It always happens at King's Cross St Pancras aka King's
Cross St.Pancras and I have seen it sometimes happen at London Bridge.
(I failed to get a satisfactory explanation from the Oyster Helpline for
inconsistent behaviour at London Bridge.)

Thanks for this. I wonder which is best of Whitechapel or Highbury &
Islington for a touch out and in? Neither seem to be on the OSI list. The
trouble is that will make two fares instead of one, £1.25 plus £1.25 as
long as I touch a pink validator to show I've avoided zone 1 on the
second
leg. SO I need to exit at Whitechapel and find a pink validator at
Highbury or Willesden Junction. If I can do it in one leg it costs £1.90.

How are you avoiding zone 1 on the second leg? - bearing in mind that (I
think) Shoreditch High St is in zone 1.


It is indeed - any travel from, to or through Shoreditch High Street means
the journey involves zone 1.

Must say I'm a bit confused by Colin's post - he seems to be complaining
that by exiting and re-entering the same station he'd end up being charged
two fares instead of one - well, er, yes, that's because it counts as two
journeys (so long as an OSI hadn't kicked in - which it wouldn't at either
Whitechapel or H&I).

wrote:

In article
,
(George) wrote:

On 3 July, 23:35, wrote:
Thinking of my travel plans this week I realise I don't know the
maximum journey times on Oyster, especially for Zones 1-2 and 1-3. Can
anyone point me to the information by the morning, please?

If you are going to travel around a bit in London the one day
travelcard would be the better option

Even if I stick to zones 1 & 2 I'm not going to do £4.30 worth of travel.

For the record, a Railcard-discounted inboundary Day Travelcard is actually
£5.30 nowadays - it's the zones 1&2 off-peak daily cap for Railcard holders
that's set at £4.30.

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

The most direct route from H&I to Putney is undoubtedly via the Vic line
and Vauxhall, but a non-zone 1 H&I to Putney fare wouldn't be a completely
ludicrous addition to the system.

Indeed if Colin was determined to cut his costs on the journey he could
travel to East Putney on the District Line, and use the pink validator at
West Brompton to 'prove' his route. Confirming your point that pink
validators only work for a subset of possible journeys, and also suggesting
(perhaps) that only the West Brompton pink validator is relevant to this
journey, not those at Willesden Jn.

It also shows how mad it all is, because it is perfectly feasible to get to
West Brompton via zone 1...

Paul S

In article , (Mizter T)
wrote:

"D A Stocks" wrote:

wrote:

In article ,
(Walter Briscoe) wrote:

[snip]

Maximum journey times is at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14872.aspx.
It looks to me as if your peregrination is Within zones 1 - 2 100.
It seems you need to break your journey into two.
A simple touch out, followed by an immediate touch in, is USUALLY
effective. Occasionally, the equivalent of an OSI is applied and all
bets are off. It always happens at King's Cross St Pancras aka
King's Cross St.Pancras and I have seen it sometimes happen at
London Bridge. (I failed to get a satisfactory explanation from
the Oyster Helpline for inconsistent behaviour at London Bridge.)

Thanks for this. I wonder which is best of Whitechapel or Highbury &
Islington for a touch out and in? Neither seem to be on the OSI list.
The trouble is that will make two fares instead of one, £1.25 plus
£1.25 as long as I touch a pink validator to show I've avoided zone
1 on the second leg. SO I need to exit at Whitechapel and find a
pink validator at Highbury or Willesden Junction. If I can do it
in one leg it costs £1.90.

How are you avoiding zone 1 on the second leg? - bearing in mind
that (I think) Shoreditch High St is in zone 1.

It is indeed - any travel from, to or through Shoreditch High
Street means the journey involves zone 1.

Must say I'm a bit confused by Colin's post - he seems to be
complaining that by exiting and re-entering the same station he'd
end up being charged two fares instead of one - well, er, yes,
that's because it counts as two journeys (so long as an OSI hadn't
kicked in - which it wouldn't at either Whitechapel or H&I).

In the end I split the journey at Highbury and Islington, so all the Zone
1 part of the journey was in the first leg. I relaised that a split at
Whitechapel would go through Zone 1 on both legs.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Mizter T)
wrote:

wrote:

In article
,
(George) wrote:

On 3 July, 23:35, wrote:
Thinking of my travel plans this week I realise I don't know the
maximum journey times on Oyster, especially for Zones 1-2 and 1-3.
Can anyone point me to the information by the morning, please?

If you are going to travel around a bit in London the one day
travelcard would be the better option

Even if I stick to zones 1 & 2 I'm not going to do £4.30 worth of
travel.

For the record, a Railcard-discounted inboundary Day Travelcard is
actually £5.30 nowadays - it's the zones 1&2 off-peak daily cap for
Railcard holders that's set at £4.30.

Oh pooh! In the end I didn't get near the limit.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

The most direct route from H&I to Putney is undoubtedly via the
Vic line and Vauxhall, but a non-zone 1 H&I to Putney fare
wouldn't be a completely ludicrous addition to the system.

Indeed if Colin was determined to cut his costs on the journey he
could travel to East Putney on the District Line, and use the pink
validator at West Brompton to 'prove' his route. Confirming your
point that pink validators only work for a subset of possible
journeys, and also suggesting (perhaps) that only the West Brompton
pink validator is relevant to this journey, not those at Willesden
Jn.

It also shows how mad it all is, because it is perfectly feasible
to get to West Brompton via zone 1...

I wanted to grice the whole of the bits of the NLL and ELL I've not been
on before so I wanted to go all the way to Clapham Junction.

Just talked to the Oyster Helpline who ended up ringing me back too. They
say the £1.90 was correct, because of the Clapham Junction to Putney leg
being charged at NR rates.

However, they decided I shouldn't have been charged £1.25 for the King's
Cross to Highbury leg so have refunded that money. As collecting at an
Oyster gate requires an overnight transaction and I won't be using Oyster
tomorrow they have made the refund direct to my bank account. Is that a
new option? Jolly useful if so.

--
Colin Rosenstiel