"Paul Rigg" wrote in message
...


"It might be a bit off topic but if you wanted to go from Hammersmith to
Euston why didn't you use the Hammersmith and City Line to Euston Square?

Just a thought

Because the Hammersmith and Circle lines are utterly useless? Typical
scenario:
Wait for seven minutes at Paddington for an Eastbound train on an advertised
frequency of
every five minutes. At Edgware Road wait another four minutes "to regulate
the service" even though
by my reckoning the train is already late (or perhaps the previous train
left Paddington early?).
Then at Baker Street wait another three minutes for the same reason. I
nearly always take the
Bakerloo to Baker Street for the Met forward or Bakerloo to Oxford
Circus for the Victoria. Either option is better then the Circle.

John

On Jul 11, 6:47*pm, "Zen83237" wrote:
I think thanks is in order for completely ****ing up. On a Victoria Line
train at about 5.20 pm that after the doors closed at Oxford Circus then sat
for a couple of minutes unable to start. After a lot of sounds of air
bleeding the train pulls *a few hudred yards into the tunnel then comes to a
very abrupt stop. Waits for 5 minutes, no announcements. more sounds of
bleeding air then sets off and again abruptly stops. This happens several
more times.
Get to Warren St and I was in two mids whether to get off. But the train
wasn't withdrawn so think ok.
A lot of very abrupt announcements from the dispatcher not to join the
train, the doors are closing but the train still didn't move with the doors
still open. More announcements to beware of the closing doors, well people
needn't have worried because the train pulled out with doors open.
The doors finally closed as we abruptly stopped half in and half out of the
tunnel. Eventually get turfed off. Nearly have a punch up on the escalator
with the **** who thinks it is fine to barge in ahead of everybody else.
Then have the privilege of having to swipe out to get out of the now closed
station.
So all in all nearly killed on the train, involved in a fight with an
ignorant ****, half an hour late home and paid a full zone 2 to zone 1
station and having to walk to Euston.Well done London Underground. I take it
that it was a technical fault. I would hate to think there will be more
strikes because a driver was sacked for overiding safety protocols.
Now when are those Olympics.

Kevin

I have to say that I found your post difficult to get to the heart of.
Until I got past the first half of the post all I seemed seemed to
hear about was the train failure.- so what, these things happen. Then,
halfway through the post, you told us in two successive sentences that
(1) the train couldn't move because the doors were open and then (2)
that the train moved even with the doors open. The latter should never
happen, though it would have helped our understanding if you'd told us
whether or not it affected all the doors or just one set, and whether
the doors were completely open or just a centimetre or two. On top of
this you do seem a bit prone to exaggeration; you can't say on the one
hand that you *nearly* had a punch-up on the escalator and on the
other that you were involved in a fight - one or other can't be true.
Furthermore, you were affronted by your fellow passenger barging in
and remonstrated with him, so one might wonder whether it was you
picking a fight with him instead of him with you.

You say that "So what if Warren Street is close to Euston, I have paid
for Hammersmith to Euston, not Warren Street." To be pedantic, you
didn't, you paid for a journey to Zone 1. In fact, you paid the same
as for a journey to Finsbury Park but you didn't complain about
'wasting' part of that by getting off at Euston.

Read a well-written article in a good newspaper - you will see that
the core of the matter is dealt with in the very first paragraph, not
mentioned in passing in a whole load of other ranting. You might get
more support if you learned this skill.

And I trust that you have contacted RAIB, not just vented your anger
here.

"W14_Fishbourne" wrote in message
...
On Jul 11, 6:47 pm, "Zen83237" wrote:
I think thanks is in order for completely ****ing up. On a Victoria Line
train at about 5.20 pm that after the doors closed at Oxford Circus then
sat
for a couple of minutes unable to start. After a lot of sounds of air
bleeding the train pulls a few hudred yards into the tunnel then comes to
a
very abrupt stop. Waits for 5 minutes, no announcements. more sounds of
bleeding air then sets off and again abruptly stops. This happens several
more times.
Get to Warren St and I was in two mids whether to get off. But the train
wasn't withdrawn so think ok.
A lot of very abrupt announcements from the dispatcher not to join the
train, the doors are closing but the train still didn't move with the
doors
still open. More announcements to beware of the closing doors, well people
needn't have worried because the train pulled out with doors open.
The doors finally closed as we abruptly stopped half in and half out of
the
tunnel. Eventually get turfed off. Nearly have a punch up on the escalator
with the **** who thinks it is fine to barge in ahead of everybody else.
Then have the privilege of having to swipe out to get out of the now
closed
station.
So all in all nearly killed on the train, involved in a fight with an
ignorant ****, half an hour late home and paid a full zone 2 to zone 1
station and having to walk to Euston.Well done London Underground. I take
it
that it was a technical fault. I would hate to think there will be more
strikes because a driver was sacked for overiding safety protocols.
Now when are those Olympics.

Kevin

I have to say that I found your post difficult to get to the heart of.
Until I got past the first half of the post all I seemed seemed to
hear about was the train failure.- so what, these things happen. Then,
halfway through the post, you told us in two successive sentences that
(1) the train couldn't move because the doors were open and then (2)
that the train moved even with the doors open. The latter should never
happen, though it would have helped our understanding if you'd told us
whether or not it affected all the doors or just one set, and whether
the doors were completely open or just a centimetre or two. On top of
this you do seem a bit prone to exaggeration; you can't say on the one
hand that you *nearly* had a punch-up on the escalator and on the
other that you were involved in a fight - one or other can't be true.
Furthermore, you were affronted by your fellow passenger barging in
and remonstrated with him, so one might wonder whether it was you
picking a fight with him instead of him with you.

You say that "So what if Warren Street is close to Euston, I have paid
for Hammersmith to Euston, not Warren Street." To be pedantic, you
didn't, you paid for a journey to Zone 1. In fact, you paid the same
as for a journey to Finsbury Park but you didn't complain about
'wasting' part of that by getting off at Euston.

Read a well-written article in a good newspaper - you will see that
the core of the matter is dealt with in the very first paragraph, not
mentioned in passing in a whole load of other ranting. You might get
more support if you learned this skill.

And I trust that you have contacted RAIB, not just vented your anger
here.

How would I know if the doors in other carriages were open or not. I assumed
the whole train but that was only my assumption.
Sorry but I think for a **** up on that scale a rant is deserved. No it
should happen so why did it
The Evening Standard said, the train travelled a carriage length, incorrect.
The driver performed an emergeny stop, rebooted the computer and closed the
doors. In correct.
A Tfl spokes woman said A NB Vic Line train at Warren St moved a short
distance along the platform with the platform doors(??????) of one carriage
not properly shut. No, they were fully open. Nice of TfL to lie. They also
failed to mention the problems the train had on its way from Oxford Circus.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:07:38 +0100 [UTC], Zen83237 wrote:

[big snip]
Sorry but I think for a **** up on that scale a rant is deserved.

If you're only concerned with ranting you may as well go and stand on
a street corner shouting at passers-by.

If, on the other hand, you want some sensible reactions and possibly
advice about the best ways to get something done about what is indeed
a serious issue, it might help if you calm down, stop ranting at
people who don't respond the way you want - and post messages that are
actually readable.

Otherwise people won't even bother reading your messages and you'll be
wasting your time.


(Before you ask, no, I don't work for LU or any bit of TfL or have
anything to do with LU trains)
--
Ross

Speaking for me, myself and I. Nobody else
- unless I make it clear that I am...

"Ross" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:07:38 +0100 [UTC], Zen83237 wrote:

[big snip]
Sorry but I think for a **** up on that scale a rant is deserved.

If you're only concerned with ranting you may as well go and stand on
a street corner shouting at passers-by.

If, on the other hand, you want some sensible reactions and possibly
advice about the best ways to get something done about what is indeed
a serious issue, it might help if you calm down, stop ranting at
people who don't respond the way you want - and post messages that are
actually readable.

Otherwise people won't even bother reading your messages and you'll be
wasting your time.


(Before you ask, no, I don't work for LU or any bit of TfL or have
anything to do with LU trains)
--
Ross

Speaking for me, myself and I. Nobody else
- unless I make it clear that I am...

Well had it been left to people reading the TfL report they would have
successfully swept the problem under the carpet. I assume you would rather
believe the TfL version. Rant or not enough people read it. You can read a
more coherent report in the Evening Standard but the only correct facts in
the report were that it was a Victoria Line Train and it did happen at
Warren Street.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:29:03 +0100 [UTC], Zen83237 wrote:
"Ross" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:07:38 +0100 [UTC], Zen83237 wrote:

[big snip]
Sorry but I think for a **** up on that scale a rant is deserved.

If you're only concerned with ranting you may as well go and stand on
a street corner shouting at passers-by.

If, on the other hand, you want some sensible reactions and possibly
advice about the best ways to get something done about what is indeed
a serious issue, it might help if you calm down, stop ranting at
people who don't respond the way you want - and post messages that are
actually readable.

Otherwise people won't even bother reading your messages and you'll be
wasting your time.


(Before you ask, no, I don't work for LU or any bit of TfL or have
anything to do with LU trains)
[...]

Well had it been left to people reading the TfL report they would have
successfully swept the problem under the carpet. I assume you would rather
believe the TfL version.

You do make some rather huge assumptions, starting with assuming that
we know any more than what you've told us.

So: What TfL version? What TfL report?

Note - in railway language a report is a formal document, not (for
example) the bull some spokescritter comes out with when a journalist
phones up.


If there is a TfL Report, that means there has been an investigation.
From experience investigations take time - as in weeks, not days or
hours.

So: When did this incident happen? Your original posting implied it
had only just happened (i.e. sometime today), but if there's a TfL
Report then it happened some time ago. If it did happen today, then
not only has there not yet been a report, there hasn't been time for
an investigation either.


Rant or not enough people read it.

Only until they get bored of it, as I for one am now doing.
Have you noticed how fewer and fewer people are replying to you?
That should tell you something: it suggests that people are beginning
to ignore you.


It's simple, really; you can either post reasonably and get both
understanding of the issue (and how it's affected you), and advice of
what you need to do and how to escalate beyond TfL to the important
people, or you can carry on ranting at everyone, carry on asserting
that we're opposed to you - and carry on being ignored by more and
more people.
--
Ross

Speaking for me, myself and I. Nobody else
- unless I make it clear that I am...

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:29:03 +0100, Zen83237 wrote:

Well had it been left to people reading the TfL report they would have
successfully swept the problem under the carpet. I assume you would
rather believe the TfL version. Rant or not enough people read it. You
can read a more coherent report in the Evening Standard but the only
correct facts in the report were that it was a Victoria Line Train and
it did happen at Warren Street.

The RAIB website is at:

http://www.raib.gov.uk/

There are phone numbers, on line contact forms and downloadable and post-
in able forms that you can use to contact them and inform them about such
issues.

Unfortunately, the people that answer their phones seem to have trouble
comprehending anything other than "a blog". However, I did convey the
facts you presented here last night to their 24/7 reporting number
yesterday evening when I read your post, and followed the report up with
a link to your post on google groups. However, I had to stress that I had
no direct knowledge of the incident, but was instead reporting what I had
seen posted on the internet by another person whose identity and thus
veracity I had no means of verifying.

You may thus wish to contact them yourself. They are interested in
witness statements following such events.

Rgds

Denis McMahon

On Jul 12, 6:07*pm, "Zen83237" wrote:
"W14_Fishbourne" wrote in message

...
On Jul 11, 6:47 pm, "Zen83237" wrote:





I think thanks is in order for completely ****ing up. On a Victoria Line
train at about 5.20 pm that after the doors closed at Oxford Circus then
sat
for a couple of minutes unable to start. After a lot of sounds of air
bleeding the train pulls a few hudred yards into the tunnel then comes to
a
very abrupt stop. Waits for 5 minutes, no announcements. more sounds of
bleeding air then sets off and again abruptly stops. This happens several
more times.
Get to Warren St and I was in two mids whether to get off. But the train
wasn't withdrawn so think ok.
A lot of very abrupt announcements from the dispatcher not to join the
train, the doors are closing but the train still didn't move with the
doors
still open. More announcements to beware of the closing doors, well people
needn't have worried because the train pulled out with doors open.
The doors finally closed as we abruptly stopped half in and half out of
the
tunnel. Eventually get turfed off. Nearly have a punch up on the escalator
with the **** who thinks it is fine to barge in ahead of everybody else..
Then have the privilege of having to swipe out to get out of the now
closed
station.
So all in all nearly killed on the train, involved in a fight with an
ignorant ****, half an hour late home and paid a full zone 2 to zone 1
station and having to walk to Euston.Well done London Underground. I take
it
that it was a technical fault. I would hate to think there will be more
strikes because a driver was sacked for overiding safety protocols.
Now when are those Olympics.

Kevin

I have to say that I found your post difficult to get to the heart of.
Until I got past the first half of the post all I seemed seemed to
hear about was the train failure.- so what, these things happen. Then,
halfway through the post, you told us in two successive sentences that
(1) the train couldn't move because the doors were open and then (2)
that the train moved even with the doors open. The latter should never
happen, though it would have helped our understanding if you'd told us
whether or not it affected all the doors or just one set, and whether
the doors were completely open or just a centimetre or two. On top of
this you do seem a bit prone to exaggeration; you can't say on the one
hand that you *nearly* had a punch-up on the escalator and on the
other that you were involved in a fight - one or other can't be true.
Furthermore, you were affronted by your fellow passenger barging in
and remonstrated with him, so one might wonder whether it was you
picking a fight with him instead of him with you.

You say that "So what if Warren Street is close to Euston, I have paid
for Hammersmith to Euston, not Warren Street." To be pedantic, you
didn't, you paid for a journey to Zone 1. In fact, you paid the same
as for a journey to Finsbury Park but you didn't complain about
'wasting' part of that by getting off at Euston.

Read a well-written article in a good newspaper - you will see that
the core of the matter is dealt with in the very first paragraph, not
mentioned in passing in a whole load of other ranting. You might get
more support if you learned this skill.

And I trust that you have contacted RAIB, not just vented your anger
here.

How would I know if the doors in other carriages were open or not. I assumed
the whole train but that was only my assumption.
Sorry but I think for a **** up on that scale a rant is deserved. No it
should happen so why did it
The Evening Standard said, the train travelled a carriage length, incorrect.
The driver performed an emergeny stop, rebooted the computer and closed the
doors. In correct.
A Tfl spokes woman said A NB Vic Line train at Warren St moved a short
distance along the platform with the platform doors(??????) of one carriage
not properly shut. No, they were fully open. Nice of TfL to lie. They also
failed to mention the problems the train had on its way from Oxford Circus.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you ask any police officer they will tell you that the number of
different and contradictory accounts of any event will be the same as
the number of witnesses there are to it. And none of them will be
completely borne out by CCTV evidence.

In message
, at
05:46:35 on Wed, 13 Jul 2011, W14_Fishbourne
remarked:

The Evening Standard said, the train travelled a carriage length, incorrect.

If you ask any police officer they will tell you that the number of
different and contradictory accounts of any event will be the same as
the number of witnesses there are to it. And none of them will be
completely borne out by CCTV evidence.

Some things are easier to corroborate than others. The number of coaches
inside the tunnel can be worked out pretty easily, if necessary by
counting the number still in the platform.
--
Roland Perry

On Jul 13, 2:27*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

Some things are easier to corroborate than others. The number of coaches
inside the tunnel can be worked out pretty easily, if necessary by
counting the number still in the platform.
--

Maybe so, and the CCTV on the platform should enable that to be worked
out, but I bet that eye-witness reports will vary from "the front of
the train had just entered the tunnel" to "almost the whole train was
in the tunnel".