On Jul 11, 6:47*pm, "Zen83237" wrote:

I think thanks is in order for completely ****ing up.

No! In this country the opposite reaction is usual.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:47:59 +0100, Zen83237 wrote:

On a Victoria Line
train at about 5.20 pm that after the doors closed at Oxford Circus then
sat for a couple of minutes unable to start. After a lot of sounds of
air bleeding the train pulls a few hudred yards into the tunnel then
comes to a very abrupt stop. Waits for 5 minutes, no announcements. more
sounds of bleeding air then sets off and again abruptly stops. This
happens several more times.

Get to Warren St and I was in two mids whether to get off. But the train
wasn't withdrawn so think ok.

A lot of very abrupt announcements from the dispatcher not to join the
train, the doors are closing but the train still didn't move with the
doors still open. More announcements to beware of the closing doors,
well people needn't have worried because the train pulled out with doors
open. The doors finally closed as we abruptly stopped half in and half
out of the tunnel. Eventually get turfed off.

There's two news reports on the web:

url:http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...9134-mind-the-
doors-then-tube-train-leaves-station-with-them-still-open.do

url:http://www.tntmagazine.com/tnt-today...2/tube-leaves-
station-with-doors-open.aspx

In the evening standard (thisislondon) report a TfL spokesman said "No
one was hurt. London Underground is immediately investigating why this
may have occurred and the train has been taken out of service. We
apologise to any passengers who were concerned by the incident."

No mention of RAIB, and when I spoke to the RAIB reporting point after
reading the first internet post about the incident, they weren't aware of
the occurrence. Could TfL may have "forgotten" to notify RAIB? Shouldn't
the train be quarantined in situ until RAIB either attend or agree it's
movement?

Rgds

Denis McMahon

On Jul 13, 5:31*pm, Denis McMahon wrote:

No mention of RAIB, and when I spoke to the RAIB reporting point after
reading the first internet post about the incident, they weren't aware of
the occurrence.

If they'd told you that they were aware of the incident you might have
assumed they knew all about it and not have been so forthcoming.

Shouldn't the train be quarantined in situ until RAIB either attend or agree it's
movement?


And create even more havoc? These days everything to do with the train
is recorded, what more will be discovered by examining it in situ?

No mention of RAIB, and when I spoke to the RAIB reporting point after
reading the first internet post about the incident, they weren't aware of
the occurrence.

Shouldn't the train be quarantined in situ until RAIB either attend or agree it's
movement?



I'm not sure that RAIB necessarily need to be involved.

I think some contributors need to stand back from this a bit and think
a bt more rationally.

There is a big difference between a train moving off with doors open
and continuing with doors open (as occurred at Kentish Town on FCC a
few weeks back), and train departing a station with not all doors
closed and then near immediately brought to a controlled emergency
stop.

For the train on topic here, all reports indicate the train did halt
with a least some some cars in the platform, which to me suggests a
controlled emergency stop. Some of the less hysterical reports also
indicate the doors problem was not all cars but only some. One door
open is not good, but get a grip on reality here.

Door failures are not wholly unheard of on the underground or main
line, but you don't see RAIB investigations for trains where correct
emergency stops were occurred.

IMHO I suggest that this is probably not a RAIB reportable incident.

--
Nick

On 13 July, 22:57, D7666 wrote:


For the train on topic here, all reports indicate the train did halt
with a least some some cars in the platform, which to me suggests a
controlled emergency stop. Some of the less hysterical reports also
indicate the doors problem was not all cars but only some. One door
open is not good, but get a grip on reality here.


Assuming that the photograph in the ES is of the train concerned,
which it appears to be, the vast majority of the train is in the
platform, contrary to the report from the OP which said that half the
train was in the tunnel.

However, I am a bit mystified why the door interlocking doesn't (a)
just prevent power being taken when a door is open rather than, as the
implication is here, (b) allowing power to be taken then cutting it
off if a door is open. Presumably interlocking of type (b) also covers
the event of a train door coming open while the train is moving,
giving two levels of protection for the price of one.

In message
, at
01:10:53 on Thu, 14 Jul 2011, W14_Fishbourne
remarked:
However, I am a bit mystified why the door interlocking doesn't (a)
just prevent power being taken when a door is open rather than, as the
implication is here, (b) allowing power to be taken then cutting it
off if a door is open. Presumably interlocking of type (b) also covers
the event of a train door coming open while the train is moving,
giving two levels of protection for the price of one.

Do these trains have lights over the doors to show they aren't closed
yet (like older tube trains)?
--
Roland Perry

In message
,
W14_Fishbourne writes
However, I am a bit mystified why the door interlocking doesn't (a)
just prevent power being taken when a door is open rather than, as the
implication is here, (b) allowing power to be taken then cutting it
off if a door is open. Presumably interlocking of type (b) also covers
the event of a train door coming open while the train is moving,
giving two levels of protection for the price of one.
In my time on both the Northern and Central lines trains were frequently
moved around depots with the doors wide open, if only to get some fresh
air through them.
--
Clive

Not to hijack the post, and I hope this doesn't sound *too* much like a plug, but the organisation I work for has just launched http://www.FixMyTransport.com, which would be an ideal platform to post issues like this - and gives you a very good chance of getting an answer.

The site was designed to make it very easy to report an issue, whether that be open doors, broken toilets, missing timetables or rude drivers. The issue is both sent to the correct operator, and posted on the website, hopefully creating a degree of accountability. There's also the option of rallying others to your cause, if it's a longterm or recurrent problem.

Public service announcement over - hope it's useful.