"Mizter T" wrote in message
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On Jul 11, 6:47 pm, "Zen83237" wrote:
I think thanks is in order for completely ****ing up. On a Victoria Line
train at about 5.20 pm that after the doors closed at Oxford Circus then
sat
for a couple of minutes unable to start. After a lot of sounds of air
bleeding the train pulls a few hudred yards into the tunnel then comes to
a
very abrupt stop. Waits for 5 minutes, no announcements. more sounds of
bleeding air then sets off and again abruptly stops. This happens several
more times.
Get to Warren St and I was in two mids whether to get off. But the train
wasn't withdrawn so think ok.
A lot of very abrupt announcements from the dispatcher not to join the
train, the doors are closing but the train still didn't move with the
doors
still open. More announcements to beware of the closing doors, well people
needn't have worried because the train pulled out with doors open.
The doors finally closed as we abruptly stopped half in and half out of
the
tunnel. Eventually get turfed off. Nearly have a punch up on the escalator
with the **** who thinks it is fine to barge in ahead of everybody else.
Then have the privilege of having to swipe out to get out of the now
closed
station.
So all in all nearly killed on the train, involved in a fight with an
ignorant ****, half an hour late home and paid a full zone 2 to zone 1
station and having to walk to Euston.Well done London Underground. I take
it
that it was a technical fault. I would hate to think there will be more
strikes because a driver was sacked for overiding safety protocols.
Now when are those Olympics.

How were your nearly killed on the train?

How is the ignorant so-and-so LU's responsibility?

Warren Street to Euston isn't very far to walk.

Cue a response calling me an apologist - I'm not, I'm just taking
issue with aspects of your rant which don't dispose me to look
favourably on your complaints. I was expecting a proper tale of real
woe. This ain't one. Get over yourself.

Well lets think about this. It is ok for tube trains to be in motion with
the doors open. This is in the rush hour. The trains are crowded people are
standing next to an open door, they can be accidently pushed or jolted out
of the train.
Had the incident not happened there would have been a mass exidus from the
station. So what if Warren Street is close to Euston, I have paid for
Hammersmith to Euston, not Warren Street.
Lets say somebody had been killed as a result. No doubt we would have heard
blah blah blah, lessons learnt blah blah blah.
This kind of lethagy caused the Kings Cross fire, blah blah lessons learnt
blah blah.
Surley isn't too much to ****ing ask to have a safety cut, doors open, train
can't go. Even I could design that.
You must work for LUL to support them for a safety failure.

Zen83237 wrote on 11 July 2011 20:38:18 ...

Surley isn't too much to ****ing ask to have a safety cut, doors open, train
can't go. Even I could design that.
You must work for LUL to support them for a safety failure.

If you'd confined your post to the fact that the train departed with the
doors open instead of ranting on and on about other things, you wouldn't
have had that reaction.

A train departing with open doors is serious, so perhaps you can tell us
more about the incident. Was it just one door that stayed open or were
they all open? Were they fully open or partly closed? Did you or
anyone else in your car press the alarm button as soon as the train
moved with doors open?

Sounds to me like an incident that RAIB should take an interest in.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

"Richard J." wrote in message
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Zen83237 wrote on 11 July 2011 20:38:18 ...

Surley isn't too much to ****ing ask to have a safety cut, doors open,
train
can't go. Even I could design that.
You must work for LUL to support them for a safety failure.

If you'd confined your post to the fact that the train departed with the
doors open instead of ranting on and on about other things, you wouldn't
have had that reaction.

A train departing with open doors is serious, so perhaps you can tell us
more about the incident. Was it just one door that stayed open or were
they all open? Were they fully open or partly closed? Did you or anyone
else in your car press the alarm button as soon as the train moved with
doors open?

Sounds to me like an incident that RAIB should take an interest in.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

RAIB would be very interested

"Pat O'Neill" wrote

RAIB would be very interested

Indeed. They have previously issued a bulletin with regard to a similar
incident.
http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources...%2005-2010.pdf
It would make more sense for the OP to report the incident to them, in case
LUL have failed to do so, rather than rant here

However. much of the rest is pure rant. How is the platform attendant (not
dispatcher - Victoria Line trains are dispatched by the driver/train
operator) to know that there is a problem which means that the train is not
actually about to depart? Was Warren Street station actually closed as a
result of this incident - I can't see how it would immediately affect the
southbound Victoria Line, or the Northern Line. And if the gateline was
still in operation, it will at least mean that PAYG passengers have evidence
of leaving at Warren Street, so can no doubt get their fare refunded or
compensation for the disrupted journey.

Peter

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:20:00PM +0100, Peter Masson wrote:

And if the gateline was
still in operation, it will at least mean that PAYG passengers have evidence
of leaving at Warren Street, so can no doubt get their fare refunded or
compensation for the disrupted journey.

Assuming that they jump through TfL's expensive and inconvenient hoops
to do so.

--
David Cantrell | semi-evolved ape-thing

There's no problem so complex that it can't be solved
by killing everyone even remotely associated with it

"David Cantrell" wrote:

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:20:00PM +0100, Peter Masson wrote:

And if the gateline was
still in operation, it will at least mean that PAYG passengers have
evidence
of leaving at Warren Street, so can no doubt get their fare refunded or
compensation for the disrupted journey.

Assuming that they jump through TfL's expensive and inconvenient hoops
to do so.

You mean filling out a secure online web form?

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/refunds/tuberefund/

In article , (Mizter T)
wrote:

"David Cantrell" wrote:

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:20:00PM +0100, Peter Masson wrote:

And if the gateline was
still in operation, it will at least mean that PAYG passengers have
evidence of leaving at Warren Street, so can no doubt get their fare
refunded orcompensation for the disrupted journey.

Assuming that they jump through TfL's expensive and inconvenient hoops
to do so.

You mean filling out a secure online web form?

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/refunds/tuberefund/

I really hate online web forms because you don't get a copy of what you
wrote for your own records. Or is this one unlike all the others? I wasn't
aware of the form and used the phone last time.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:56:07PM +0100, Mizter T wrote:
"David Cantrell" wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:20:00PM +0100, Peter Masson wrote:
And if the gateline was
still in operation, it will at least mean that PAYG passengers have
evidence
of leaving at Warren Street, so can no doubt get their fare refunded or
compensation for the disrupted journey.
Assuming that they jump through TfL's expensive and inconvenient hoops
to do so.
You mean filling out a secure online web form?
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/refunds/tuberefund/

Oh, I didn't know that existed. Thanks! Does something similar exist
for other Oystery problems, and if so have they sorted out the bad
design that requires people go to a TfL station to pick up their
refunds?

--
David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive

I remember when computers were frustrating because they did
exactly what you told them to. That seems kinda quaint now.
-- JD Baldwin, in the Monastery

Pat O'Neill wrote on 11 July 2011 21:27:16 ...

"Richard wrote in message
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wrote on 11 July 2011 20:38:18 ...

Surley isn't too much to ****ing ask to have a safety cut, doors open,
train
can't go. Even I could design that.
You must work for LUL to support them for a safety failure.

If you'd confined your post to the fact that the train departed with the
doors open instead of ranting on and on about other things, you wouldn't
have had that reaction.

A train departing with open doors is serious, so perhaps you can tell us
more about the incident. Was it just one door that stayed open or were
they all open? Were they fully open or partly closed? Did you or anyone
else in your car press the alarm button as soon as the train moved with
doors open?

Sounds to me like an incident that RAIB should take an interest in.

RAIB would be very interested

They are indeed. RAIB issued a bulletin this morning (5 Aug 2011):
http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/...ren_street.cfm

The sequence of events seems to have been as follows:
- Driver attempts to depart from Oxford Circus
- Train detects something caught in door (sensitive edge activation) and
stops itself.
- Driver establishes that nothing significant is actually caught, so
disables sensitive edge detection and proceeds to Warren Street.
- At Warren Street, where the platform is on the other side, the
sensitive edge activation from Oxford Street is still present, so "the
driver isolated safety systems which allowed the train to move with the
doors open". It's not clear from the brief summary whether this meant
he disabled the sensitive edge detection again or isolated the system in
some other way.

The RAIB investigation "will include an examination of the sequence of
events leading up to the incident, the driver’s training and competence,
and the implementation of sensitive edge doors on the new Victoria Line
trains (including the associated control system)".

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On Jul 11, 9:18*pm, "Richard J." wrote:

Zen83237 wrote on 11 July 2011 20:38:18 ...

If you'd confined your post to the fact that the train departed with the
doors open instead of ranting on and on about other things, you wouldn't
have had that reaction.

A train departing with open doors is serious, so perhaps you can tell us
more about the incident. *


I'd have to agree,

The ARE all sorts of protections about trains with doors **** etc.

If OP had confined rant to this aspect, or made this the headline,
instead of all the other rants I suspect it would be taken more
seriously.

AFAIK train moving off with doors open is RAIB, the recent FCC 377
incident near Kentish Town is with RAIB, they are less interested in
the cause of the train failure, more in why it subsequently moved with
open doors.

--
Nick