On Jul 16, 1:29*pm, "
wrote:
On 15/07/2011 15:21, 1506 wrote:





On Jul 14, 12:03 am, Mizter *wrote:
[x-posted to utl, solely to annoy Walter Mann]

On Jul 13, 10:50 pm, *wrote:

TfL's bid to control trains has much going for it

But TfL is coming from a position of some strength, with the early
indications that its London Overground concession is proving a
storming success.

The performance of the Metropolitan Line Vs. Chiltern tells a very
different story.

How so?

Chiltern's level of comfort, PIS, punctuality, et al, far exceeds LU's
on the London Amersham route.

On Jul 17, 12:09*am, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:51:36 -0700 (PDT), 1506
wrote:

On Jul 16, 1:29*pm, "
wrote:
On 15/07/2011 15:21, 1506 wrote:
The performance of the Metropolitan Line Vs. Chiltern tells a very
different story.

How so?

Chiltern's level of comfort, PIS, punctuality, et al, far exceeds LU's
on the London Amersham route.

Based on what evidence and over what time period please?

Haha, I have been familier with the route on and off almost all of my
life. But lets just look at the current incarnation: How do the
passenger facilities at Baker Street compare with Marylebone? Think
about platform indicators, and concourse spaciousness? Does Baker
Street have an M&S food outlet? Can Baker Street handle wheelchair
users? Do you have any gentleman's or lady's rooms at Baker Street?

The rolling stock: Do you really think "S" stock with its lack of
seating, not to mention WCs, compares to 166s? Consider the height of
the seat backs and seat comfort levels, which is the better? "S"
stock may be fine for short journeys on the Circle Line. I would not
wish it on anyone for a trip to the County of Buckingham. One can
only pity those with back problems.

And then there is the courtesy level of the respective organization's
employees. I will leave others to draw the obvious conclusions.

On Jul 17, 8:09*am, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:51:36 -0700 (PDT), 1506
wrote:

On Jul 16, 1:29*pm, "
wrote:

On 15/07/2011 15:21, 1506 wrote:
The performance of the Metropolitan Line Vs. Chiltern tells a very
different story.

How so?

Chiltern's level of comfort, PIS, punctuality, et al, far exceeds LU's
on the London Amersham route.

Based on what evidence and over what time period please?

Based on close observation and first hand experience from the far side
of the continent on the other side of the Atlantic, one assumes.

On Jul 17, 1:31*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Jul 17, 8:09*am, Paul Corfield wrote:





On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:51:36 -0700 (PDT), 1506
wrote:

On Jul 16, 1:29*pm, "
wrote:

On 15/07/2011 15:21, 1506 wrote:
The performance of the Metropolitan Line Vs. Chiltern tells a very
different story.

How so?

Chiltern's level of comfort, PIS, punctuality, et al, far exceeds LU's
on the London Amersham route.

Based on what evidence and over what time period please?

Based on close observation and first hand experience from the far side
of the continent on the other side of the Atlantic, one assumes.-

Try based on growing up in Aylesbury and moving to London as a
teenager and travelling back frequently. And, I have passed Baker
Street and Marylebone several times in the last month. I changed
trains at Baker Street 4 weeks back.

Do not assume.

On Jul 17, 1:31*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Jul 17, 8:09*am, Paul Corfield wrote:





On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:51:36 -0700 (PDT), 1506
wrote:

On Jul 16, 1:29*pm, "
wrote:

On 15/07/2011 15:21, 1506 wrote:
The performance of the Metropolitan Line Vs. Chiltern tells a very
different story.

How so?

Chiltern's level of comfort, PIS, punctuality, et al, far exceeds LU's
on the London Amersham route.

Based on what evidence and over what time period please?

Based on close observation and first hand experience from the far side
of the continent on the other side of the Atlantic, one assumes.

Which btw is not so odd as your friend "Timmy the terrorist supporter"
who believes who knows more about US politics than those who live and
vote there.

And I took you for one of the brighter folk here. :-(

On Jul 17, 1:31*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Jul 17, 8:09*am, Paul Corfield wrote:





On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:51:36 -0700 (PDT), 1506
wrote:

On Jul 16, 1:29*pm, "
wrote:

On 15/07/2011 15:21, 1506 wrote:
The performance of the Metropolitan Line Vs. Chiltern tells a very
different story.

How so?

Chiltern's level of comfort, PIS, punctuality, et al, far exceeds LU's
on the London Amersham route.

Based on what evidence and over what time period please?

Based on close observation and first hand experience from the far side
of the continent on the other side of the Atlantic, one assumes.

Usenet is losing posts. I have passed by Marylebone and Baker Street
several times in recent months. I have even changed trains at Baker
Street. Moreover, my familiarity with the route to Aylesbury spans
several decades.

You assume incorrectly.

On 17/07/2011 09:29, 1506 wrote:
On Jul 17, 12:09 am, Paul wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:51:36 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Jul 16, 1:29 pm,
wrote:
On 15/07/2011 15:21, 1506 wrote:
The performance of the Metropolitan Line Vs. Chiltern tells a very
different story.

How so?

Chiltern's level of comfort, PIS, punctuality, et al, far exceeds LU's
on the London Amersham route.

Based on what evidence and over what time period please?

Haha, I have been familier with the route on and off almost all of my
life. But lets just look at the current incarnation: How do the
passenger facilities at Baker Street compare with Marylebone? Think
about platform indicators, and concourse spaciousness? Does Baker
Street have an M&S food outlet? Can Baker Street handle wheelchair
users? Do you have any gentleman's or lady's rooms at Baker Street?

The rolling stock: Do you really think "S" stock with its lack of
seating, not to mention WCs, compares to 166s? Consider the height of
the seat backs and seat comfort levels, which is the better? "S"
stock may be fine for short journeys on the Circle Line. I would not
wish it on anyone for a trip to the County of Buckingham. One can
only pity those with back problems.

I recently took a ride out to Chesham on an S-8 -- not very comfortable
at all, really. It makes me think that I will miss the 62A stock.

I notice that they don't have any space that allows you to comfiortable
stand by the doors, without getting in the way of embarking and
disembarking passengers.

On Jul 17, 11:56*am, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 01:29:17 -0700 (PDT), 1506
wrote:





On Jul 17, 12:09*am, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:51:36 -0700 (PDT), 1506
wrote:

On Jul 16, 1:29*pm, "
wrote:
On 15/07/2011 15:21, 1506 wrote:
The performance of the Metropolitan Line Vs. Chiltern tells a very
different story.

How so?

Chiltern's level of comfort, PIS, punctuality, et al, far exceeds LU's
on the London Amersham route.

Based on what evidence and over what time period please?

Haha, I have been familier with the route on and off almost all of my
life. *

[snip]

So, in short, your own opinion based on using the services. Hardly a
statistically reliable comparison given you set out the proposition
about "performance" and then yatter on about Marks and Spencers,
toilets and relative comfort of the stock.

As LU is a Metro and Chiltern most definitely is not then the basis of
your comparison is flawed and does not relate to the usual performance
parameters like reliability, punctuality, availability of facilities.
Oh and Baker Street does possess *Gents and Ladies loos before you say
"facility" equals "toilets". *If you were unaware of this fact then
your ability to compare operators is not exactly very good.
--
Passenger experience, of rolling stock comfort, information,
amenities, and treatment by staff, is REAL passenger experience.

Spout stats all you like. But ask a customer whether he, or she,
would prefer to travel from Marylebone, or Baker Street to Amersham,
other things being equal he, or she, will choose Marylebone. Now if
said parson is alighting from the Circle Line, or has travelled from
Aldgate, then other things are not equal. He or she, regards it as a
suburban journey.

Metro stock has limited use beyond Harrow, and no place beyond Moor
Park/Watford.

I know it is hard for operators to understand, but passenger
experience is all that really counts.

Get out more, and travel in the real world.

On 17/07/2011 09:29, 1506 wrote:

Do you have any gentleman's or lady's rooms at Baker Street?

Dunno, but there is a bog.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 17/07/2011 12:27, 1506 wrote:
On Jul 17, 11:56 am, Paul wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 01:29:17 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:





On Jul 17, 12:09 am, Paul wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:51:36 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Jul 16, 1:29 pm,
wrote:
On 15/07/2011 15:21, 1506 wrote:
The performance of the Metropolitan Line Vs. Chiltern tells a very
different story.

How so?

Chiltern's level of comfort, PIS, punctuality, et al, far exceeds LU's
on the London Amersham route.

Based on what evidence and over what time period please?

Haha, I have been familier with the route on and off almost all of my
life.

[snip]

So, in short, your own opinion based on using the services. Hardly a
statistically reliable comparison given you set out the proposition
about "performance" and then yatter on about Marks and Spencers,
toilets and relative comfort of the stock.

As LU is a Metro and Chiltern most definitely is not then the basis of
your comparison is flawed and does not relate to the usual performance
parameters like reliability, punctuality, availability of facilities.
Oh and Baker Street does possess Gents and Ladies loos before you say
"facility" equals "toilets". If you were unaware of this fact then
your ability to compare operators is not exactly very good.
--
Passenger experience, of rolling stock comfort, information,
amenities, and treatment by staff, is REAL passenger experience.

Spout stats all you like. But ask a customer whether he, or she,
would prefer to travel from Marylebone, or Baker Street to Amersham,
other things being equal he, or she, will choose Marylebone. Now if
said parson is alighting from the Circle Line, or has travelled from
Aldgate, then other things are not equal. He or she, regards it as a
suburban journey.

Metro stock has limited use beyond Harrow, and no place beyond Moor
Park/Watford.

I know it is hard for operators to understand, but passenger
experience is all that really counts.

Get out more, and travel in the real world.

But avoid Spain and Portugal if you don't like metro-style and
tiolet-less trains being used on some very long journeys (1 or even 2
hour+).

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK