In message
,
plcd1 writes
We're not talking about a tube line
nor a tram line in an urban area where the UK expectation would be a
service every few minutes.
Where I live, the maximum frequency (rush hour) for our bus service is 2
busses per hour.
--
Clive

On Jul 20, 1:44*pm, plcd1 wrote:


Talking a relevant Overground example - when the GOBLIN was every 20
or 30 minutes I would have to know the departure times as just missing
a train would impose too long a wait and it would be worthwhile
considering going another way. With the GOBLIN now every 15 minutes I
am much more relaxed about "just turning up" although I do know the
times anyway! * The same applies for the Chingford Line - it's every
15 mins and it's not "the end of the world" if you just miss one. *I
guess it's all a bit psychological really in terms of people's
tolerance of being delayed.


When the Tyneside metro switched from 6tph to 5tph I started looking
at the timetable before leaving the house and stopped thinking of it
as a turn up and go service. I don't think 4tph is really good enough
within inner London.

On Jul 20, 8:49*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:02:20 -0700 (PDT), brixtonite









wrote:
On Jul 20, 1:44 pm, plcd1 wrote:

Talking a relevant Overground example - when the GOBLIN was every 20
or 30 minutes I would have to know the departure times as just missing
a train would impose too long a wait and it would be worthwhile
considering going another way. With the GOBLIN now every 15 minutes I
am much more relaxed about "just turning up" although I do know the
times anyway! The same applies for the Chingford Line - it's every
15 mins and it's not "the end of the world" if you just miss one. I
guess it's all a bit psychological really in terms of people's
tolerance of being delayed.

When the Tyneside metro switched from 6tph to 5tph I started looking
at the timetable before leaving the house and stopped thinking of it
as a turn up and go service. *I don't think 4tph is really good enough
within inner London.

Goodness me - give 'em a chance. The SLL service hasn't even started
yet and people are saying it's no good. I expect it to be popular when
it does start running but every time I make a suggestion or comment
about a train service proposal I get metaphorically "slapped round the
chops" and told I'm deluded / misinformed / stupid.

Many TOC services in Greater London run half hourly at best on certain
routes. Granted others are much more frequent on a core section but
then fan out to terminal stations at much lower frequencies. As a
local to me example the Hertford East - Stratford service is only
hourly (!) off peak and at best half hourly in the peaks. OK it is not
crush loaded but it is not exactly unpopular either. *I'd love a x15
minute as, I suspect, would many other people who would suddently
flock to use the line once it was a convenient option for them.

You see exactly the same thing with bus services in London. Bolster
frequencies to "turn up and go" levels and guess what - people turn up
to go.

--
Paul C

Didn't mean to complain exactly - the ELL extension to Clapham
Junction will be a huge improvement on what's currently available on
the SLL and I am sure it will be very popular. I just think it's a
shame it can't run to tube or DLR frequencies, and likewise for other
national rail routes in areas not served by the tube.

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

As a local to me example the Hertford East - Stratford service is only
hourly (!) off peak and at best half hourly in the peaks. OK

Not in the current M-F timetable, surely? Table 22 tells me there is no
off-peak service from Hertford East to Stratford, just half hourly to
Liverpool Street. There is also an hourly service from Stansted Airport or
Bishop's Stortford to Stratford. From Hertford you can connect into this
at various stations between Broxbourne and Tottenham Hale.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 19/07/2011 23:59, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:53:01 +0100, "
wrote:

On 19/07/2011 21:17, solar penguin wrote:

1506 wrote:

On Jul 19, 6:29 pm, wrote:
Do you have any idea of the timeline for this one?

There's a broad one athttp://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/15401.aspx(near
bottom of the page)
--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com

Thank you. In eighteen months we can look forward to circumnavigating
the Capital by train.

We can _already_ circumnavigate the capital by train. The only
difference is, in eighteen months we'll be able to do it sitting
sideways the whole way. Whether or not you look forward to that
depends on your personal tastes in the matter.

What is the route?

How many do you want ?

Just one.

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...
SLL extension new works by Birse Metro. The contractor's site he

http://www.overgroundextension.co.uk

includes newsletters and photos of the work so far, which may be of
interest.

The last time there was a passenger service from the ELL to the SLL was in
1911. Are there any other railways which have been reopened after closure
for more than 100 years?

Peter

On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:44:11 +0100, "
wrote:

On 19/07/2011 23:59, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:53:01 +0100, "
wrote:

On 19/07/2011 21:17, solar penguin wrote:

1506 wrote:

On Jul 19, 6:29 pm, wrote:
Do you have any idea of the timeline for this one?

There's a broad one athttp://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/15401.aspx(near
bottom of the page)
--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com

Thank you. In eighteen months we can look forward to circumnavigating
the Capital by train.

We can _already_ circumnavigate the capital by train. The only
difference is, in eighteen months we'll be able to do it sitting
sideways the whole way. Whether or not you look forward to that
depends on your personal tastes in the matter.

What is the route?

How many do you want ?

Just one.

The tightest or the slackest ? Staying within Greater London, London
Overground probably provides a basic skeleton with inward or outward
variation available at different places. The Circle Line doesn't count
if you exclude any lines passing through the capital.

On Jul 20, 10:44*pm, wrote:

My first thought would be the Laverstock loop outside Salisbury,
------and quickly flipping through Google I see this was suggested
by one of the regulars on here in a similar discussion about *this in
the group about 4 years ago. At the time he mentioned suggestions that
the loop may have been reconnected for a time in WW2 but had seen no
real evidence,anyway he'll be along himself shortly I'm sure.
Wonder if the Luftwaffe took any aerial photos of the area?


;o)

Its interesting you mention aerial photos.

There were dummy sites before d-day where false railheads were set up
- e.g. one just to the north of South Charford (between Breamore and
Downton) level crossing where my gram was crossing keeper.

It has occurred to me maybe Laverstock loop was such a dummy - this
would explain why trains were /apparently/ on it yet no record of its
connection at the north/east end at the period is known.

--
Nick

On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:32:41 +0100 [UTC], Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:58:31 on Wed, 20 Jul
2011, Clive Page remarked:
SLL extension new works by Birse Metro. The contractor's site he

http://www.overgroundextension.co.uk

Is it reasonable to call it a "frequent" service if there are only 4
trains/hour?

Many people would kill for 4tph. My own view (coloured in some part by
being a past user of the outer fringes of the Met line) is that
something magic happens between 3tph and 4tph - despite it only reducing
the interval by 5 minutes. Such that 4tph is a frequent enough service
it's turn-up-and-go for most users.

I'd go as far as to say between 2tph and 3th - when the Birmingham SH
- Dorridge line went up from 2 to 3tph, we noticed that if you rolled
into a station heading out of city 15 minutes before a city-bound
train was due, people would be wandering onto that platform, so
clearly were turning up on spec.

We also noticed that people got a lot less forgiving of minor (3, 4, 5
minute) delays...
--
Ross

Speaking for me, myself and I. Nobody else
- unless I make it clear that I am...

On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 04:44:44 -0700 (PDT), plcd1
wrote:

On Jul 20, 11:58*am, Clive Page wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:00:52 +0100, "Paul Scott"
SLL extension new works by Birse Metro. The contractor's site he

http://www.overgroundextension.co.uk

Is it reasonable to call it a "frequent" service if there are only 4
trains/hour?

In broad terms I'd say yes. It is certainly a decent service level to
begin a new rail service with. We're not talking about a tube line
nor a tram line in an urban area where the UK expectation would be a
service every few minutes. As Roland says many people would kill to
have such a service level on their train or bus route.

Talking a relevant Overground example - when the GOBLIN was every 20
or 30 minutes I would have to know the departure times as just missing
a train would impose too long a wait and it would be worthwhile
considering going another way. With the GOBLIN now every 15 minutes I
am much more relaxed about "just turning up" although I do know the
times anyway! The same applies for the Chingford Line - it's every
15 mins and it's not "the end of the world" if you just miss one. I
guess it's all a bit psychological really in terms of people's
tolerance of being delayed.


Chingford is only 4 tph?

When it 1st electrified, (Nov. '60, when I were but a young lad....)
it was 6 tph off-peak & 9 tph in the peaks.
Train were probably longer too, 6-car off-peak & 9-car peak.
'Twas before the Victoria line opened, so perhaps that stole some of
the traffic?


DC