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[email protected] · August 1st 11, 12:11 AM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
11:05:37 on Sun, 31 Jul 2011, remarked:

Because they try to keep fleets as homogeneous as possible, and
having a few odd sets like that just doesn't fit their thinking.

Like the 317s and 321s now, you mean?

Three sorts of 317, and 325's. It's that sort of mixture they trying
to avoid in future.

325s!? Passengers may be herded like cattle but they're not mail!

FCC only have one sort of 317, 12 of them. It's NXEA that has the
tutti-frutti varieties.

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Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] · August 1st 11, 12:11 AM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 19:33:37 on Sun, 31
Jul 2011, Peter Smyth remarked:
I'm assuming that the Thameslink trains will take over the London
Bridge to Horsham stoppers. What about the other end? If they form
what is now the King's Cross to Cambridge stopper then Meldreth,
Shepreth and Foxton platforms will need to be extended to eight car
length.

The relevant section of the table explains the Cambridge and
Peterborough services will run 'semi-fast' on the northern part of
the route.

As I said in the first post there is more info in the original, but a
number of routes are stopping one side of the Thames and semi fast the
other, and vice versa...

"semi-fast" is a relative term though. It might just mean that they
will not be stopping at the inner suburban stations.

And if that's not what it means, will (as Colin suggests) the
"stoppers at everywhere north of Welwyn Garden City" run into KX not
Thameslink?

I was rather assuming that 12-car trains to Foxton were unlikely.

If the point is to subsume the existing Kings Cross Outer semi-fasts they
should go half to Cambridge and half to Peterborough anyway.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry · August 1st 11, 07:12 AM posted to uk.transport.london

In message , at 18:11:27
on Sun, 31 Jul 2011, remarked:
Because they try to keep fleets as homogeneous as possible, and
having a few odd sets like that just doesn't fit their thinking.

Like the 317s and 321s now, you mean?

Three sorts of 317, and 325's. It's that sort of mixture they trying
to avoid in future.

325s!? Passengers may be herded like cattle but they're not mail!

I'm always confusing the with 365's. You know what I meant!

FCC only have one sort of 317, 12 of them. It's NXEA that has the
tutti-frutti varieties.

And NXEA have two sorts of 321.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry · August 1st 11, 07:29 AM posted to uk.transport.london

In message , at 18:11:27
on Sun, 31 Jul 2011, remarked:
And if that's not what it means, will (as Colin suggests) the
"stoppers at everywhere north of Welwyn Garden City" run into KX not
Thameslink?

I was rather assuming that 12-car trains to Foxton were unlikely.

Why Foxton in particular? If the Cambridgshire rural stations are being
extended to 8car, and the Thameslink trains are 12car, it's simply a
necessary side effect.

If the point is to subsume the existing Kings Cross Outer semi-fasts they
should go half to Cambridge and half to Peterborough anyway.

The Peterborough 2tph semi-fasts are going to Three Bridges.

I'm becoming more convinced that "semi-fast" describes all four
services, and you only look upon them as stoppers because you've got
even better "fast" services from Cambridge.
--
Roland Perry

[email protected] · August 1st 11, 11:29 AM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
18:11:27 on Sun, 31 Jul 2011, remarked:
Because they try to keep fleets as homogeneous as possible, and
having a few odd sets like that just doesn't fit their thinking.

Like the 317s and 321s now, you mean?

Three sorts of 317, and 325's. It's that sort of mixture they trying
to avoid in future.

325s!? Passengers may be herded like cattle but they're not mail!

I'm always confusing the with 365's. You know what I meant!

I thought you meant 321s actually! Aren't the 365's going?

FCC only have one sort of 317, 12 of them. It's NXEA that has the
tutti-frutti varieties.

And NXEA have two sorts of 321.

Indeed, though one is the same as FCC's & LM's.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] · August 1st 11, 11:29 AM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
18:11:27 on Sun, 31 Jul 2011, remarked:
And if that's not what it means, will (as Colin suggests) the
"stoppers at everywhere north of Welwyn Garden City" run into KX not
Thameslink?

I was rather assuming that 12-car trains to Foxton were unlikely.

Why Foxton in particular? If the Cambridgshire rural stations are
being extended to 8car, and the Thameslink trains are 12car, it's
simply a necessary side effect.

I sued Foxton as an example rather than spell out Meldreth, Shepreth and
Foxton. In each case 12 into 8 doesn't go, not without SDO anyway.

If the point is to subsume the existing Kings Cross Outer semi-fasts they
should go half to Cambridge and half to Peterborough anyway.

The Peterborough 2tph semi-fasts are going to Three Bridges.

Same problem as for Cambridge then. They are a mix of semi-fasts and slows.

I'm becoming more convinced that "semi-fast" describes all four
services, and you only look upon them as stoppers because you've got
even better "fast" services from Cambridge.

They are all Outer services all of which skip Inner stops. So stopping at
all the Outer stations is slow in my book.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry · August 1st 11, 12:04 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In message , at 05:29:52
on Mon, 1 Aug 2011, remarked:
Three sorts of 317, and 325's. It's that sort of mixture they trying
to avoid in future.

325s!? Passengers may be herded like cattle but they're not mail!

I'm always confusing the with 365's. You know what I meant!

I thought you meant 321s actually! Aren't the 365's going?

My point is that I'd expect all the legacy stock (on Cambridge-London)
to be going. Some may remain on Moorgate-Letchworth.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry · August 1st 11, 12:05 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In message , at 05:29:52
on Mon, 1 Aug 2011, remarked:
And if that's not what it means, will (as Colin suggests) the
"stoppers at everywhere north of Welwyn Garden City" run into KX not
Thameslink?

I was rather assuming that 12-car trains to Foxton were unlikely.

Why Foxton in particular? If the Cambridgshire rural stations are
being extended to 8car, and the Thameslink trains are 12car, it's
simply a necessary side effect.

I sued Foxton as an example rather than spell out Meldreth, Shepreth and
Foxton. In each case 12 into 8 doesn't go, not without SDO anyway.

SDO it is, then.

If the point is to subsume the existing Kings Cross Outer semi-fasts they
should go half to Cambridge and half to Peterborough anyway.

The Peterborough 2tph semi-fasts are going to Three Bridges.

Same problem as for Cambridge then. They are a mix of semi-fasts and slows.

They aren't slow trains, because they skip many stops as they get near
London.

I'm becoming more convinced that "semi-fast" describes all four
services, and you only look upon them as stoppers because you've got
even better "fast" services from Cambridge.

They are all Outer services all of which skip Inner stops. So stopping at
all the Outer stations is slow in my book.

Only because you are spoilt by the Cambridge Cruisers.
--
Roland Perry

[email protected] · August 1st 11, 01:17 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
05:29:52 on Mon, 1 Aug 2011, remarked:
And if that's not what it means, will (as Colin suggests) the
"stoppers at everywhere north of Welwyn Garden City" run into KX not
Thameslink?

I was rather assuming that 12-car trains to Foxton were unlikely.

Why Foxton in particular? If the Cambridgshire rural stations are
being extended to 8car, and the Thameslink trains are 12car, it's
simply a necessary side effect.

I used Foxton as an example rather than spell out Meldreth, Shepreth and
Foxton. In each case 12 into 8 doesn't go, not without SDO anyway.

SDO it is, then.

Except that I thought the stock will not have SDO?

If the point is to subsume the existing Kings Cross Outer
semi-fasts they
should go half to Cambridge and half to Peterborough anyway.

The Peterborough 2tph semi-fasts are going to Three Bridges.

Same problem as for Cambridge then. They are a mix of semi-fasts and
slows.

They aren't slow trains, because they skip many stops as they get
near London.

I pointed out that there are two services, Inner and Outer. These are slow
Outers.

I'm becoming more convinced that "semi-fast" describes all four
services, and you only look upon them as stoppers because you've got
even better "fast" services from Cambridge.

They are all Outer services all of which skip Inner stops. So stopping at
all the Outer stations is slow in my book.

Only because you are spoilt by the Cambridge Cruisers.

Cruisers went when FCC took over. They are Express services now and they are
quite a bit faster than alternatives.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] · August 1st 11, 01:17 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
05:29:52 on Mon, 1 Aug 2011, remarked:
Three sorts of 317, and 325's. It's that sort of mixture they trying
to avoid in future.

325s!? Passengers may be herded like cattle but they're not mail!

I'm always confusing the with 365's. You know what I meant!

I thought you meant 321s actually! Aren't the 365's going?

My point is that I'd expect all the legacy stock (on
Cambridge-London) to be going. Some may remain on Moorgate-Letchworth.

What do you know about class 313 replacement stock? Apart from Merseyside
I'm not aware of any discussions on PEP replacements yet.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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