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'Tis a pit some of the Horsham terminators are not continuing to
Bognor Regis and/or Littlehampton.

Makes sense, though. They've avoided having to either lengthen platforms
or have SDO on the trains.

...and to be fair passengers are probably quite used to the useful service
pattern south of Horsham nowadays, with the alternate fast portions
to/from Portsmouth and Southampton, and the two Bognor portions forming
the stopping services.

Paul S

I'm assuming that the Thameslink trains will take over the London Bridge to
Horsham
stoppers. What about the other end? If they form what is now the King's
Cross to Cambridge
stopper then Meldreth, Shepreth and Foxton platforms will need to be
extended to eight car
length.

John

In message , at 09:40:13 on
Sun, 31 Jul 2011, John C remarked:

I'm assuming that the Thameslink trains will take over the London
Bridge to Horsham stoppers.

2tph replacing 2tph, sounds very plausible.

What about the other end? If they form what is now the King's Cross to
Cambridge stopper then Meldreth, Shepreth and Foxton platforms will
need to be extended to eight car length.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...chedule/2/made

Although with 12-car trains they'll still need some SDO.

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Roland Perry

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In message , at 09:40:13 on Sun,
31 Jul 2011, John C remarked:

I'm assuming that the Thameslink trains will take over the London Bridge
to Horsham stoppers.

2tph replacing 2tph, sounds very plausible.

Another bonus is that this will free up more 377s for Southern to use
elsewhere. The off peak London Bridge
to Horsham service requires six units. Most of them pair up in the peaks.


What about the other end? If they form what is now the King's Cross to
Cambridge stopper then Meldreth, Shepreth and Foxton platforms will need
to be extended to eight car length.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...chedule/2/made

Although with 12-car trains they'll still need some SDO.

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Roland Perry

Having re-read what Paul has written it looks like the through trains from
Horsham
will only stop (I'm guessing here) at Stevenage, Hitchin, Letchworth,
Baldock and Royston.
Shepreth and Foxton are a pain because they have AHB crossings at the London
end so
over length trains cannot stop in the down direction.

John

In message , at 16:27:09 on
Wed, 3 Aug 2011, John C remarked:

Having re-read what Paul has written it looks like the through trains
from Horsham will only stop (I'm guessing here) at Stevenage, Hitchin,
Letchworth, Baldock and Royston.

What's going to serve the various intermediate stations north of
Baldock? Colin's been thinking there's a previous undisclosed 5th train
per hour terminating at Kings Cross.

Shepreth and Foxton are a pain because they have AHB crossings at the
London end so over length trains cannot stop in the down direction.

Foxton's a full barrier (with signal box next door). Shepreth might need
converting, a drop in the ocean compared to all the other Thameslink
upgrades.
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Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 16:27:09 on
Wed, 3 Aug 2011, John C remarked:

Having re-read what Paul has written it looks like the through trains
from Horsham will only stop (I'm guessing here) at Stevenage, Hitchin,
Letchworth, Baldock and Royston.

What's going to serve the various intermediate stations north of
Baldock? Colin's been thinking there's a previous undisclosed 5th
train per hour terminating at Kings Cross.

Maybe they will run more trains? Could the Letchworth terminators be
extended?

Shepreth and Foxton are a pain because they have AHB crossings at the
London end so over length trains cannot stop in the down direction.

Foxton's a full barrier (with signal box next door). Shepreth might
need converting, a drop in the ocean compared to all the other
Thameslink upgrades.

There may be a signal box next door but it doesn't control Foxton level
crossing. That is controlled by CCTV from Cambridge panel. Some nice stills
in the Cambridge News recently too. ;-)

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Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 12:46:02
on Wed, 3 Aug 2011, remarked:

Having re-read what Paul has written it looks like the through trains
from Horsham will only stop (I'm guessing here) at Stevenage, Hitchin,
Letchworth, Baldock and Royston.

What's going to serve the various intermediate stations north of
Baldock? Colin's been thinking there's a previous undisclosed 5th
train per hour terminating at Kings Cross.

Maybe they will run more trains?

Possible, but you'd have expected that to have emerged by now.

Could the Letchworth terminators be extended?

They are going round the Hertford loop to Moorgate, in the final scheme,
I think (confirmation welcome). Not so useful for commuters to the
village stations - you'd be pretty much forced to change at Royston to
keep the journey time bearable.

Again, you'd think that things like that would have been discussed.

Shepreth and Foxton are a pain because they have AHB crossings at the
London end so over length trains cannot stop in the down direction.

Foxton's a full barrier (with signal box next door). Shepreth might
need converting, a drop in the ocean compared to all the other
Thameslink upgrades.

There may be a signal box next door but it doesn't control Foxton level
crossing. That is controlled by CCTV from Cambridge panel. Some nice stills
in the Cambridge News recently too. ;-)

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Roland Perry

In message ,
wrote:
Foxton's a full barrier (with signal box next door). Shepreth might
need converting, a drop in the ocean compared to all the other
Thameslink upgrades.

There may be a signal box next door but it doesn't control Foxton level
crossing. That is controlled by CCTV from Cambridge panel.

Since when? As far as I know, the gate box (not signal box, though it
looks like one) at Foxton still operates the crossing. Certainly last
time I visited Cambridge PSB that was the case, with no controls for the
crossing on the panel.

Some nice stills
in the Cambridge News recently too. ;-)

If you mean
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...red-traffic-li
ght-at-level-crossing-01082011.htm
I don't think that's crossing control CCTV, just traffic-watching CCTV.
A signalling CCTV would be arranged so that the barrier post didn't
block the view.

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In article , (Clive D.
W. Feather) wrote:

In message ,
wrote:
Foxton's a full barrier (with signal box next door). Shepreth might
need converting, a drop in the ocean compared to all the other
Thameslink upgrades.

There may be a signal box next door but it doesn't control Foxton level
crossing. That is controlled by CCTV from Cambridge panel.

Since when? As far as I know, the gate box (not signal box, though it
looks like one) at Foxton still operates the crossing. Certainly last
time I visited Cambridge PSB that was the case, with no controls for
the crossing on the panel.

Some nice stills
in the Cambridge News recently too. ;-)

If you mean

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...traffic-light-
at-level-crossing-01082011.htm
I don't think that's crossing control CCTV, just traffic-watching
CCTV. A signalling CCTV would be arranged so that the barrier post
didn't block the view.

The press report implies there is CCTV coverage but on rereading more
closely it is clear that there is CCTV surveillance with local control of
the gates.

This crossing has a bad history with a much worse case of a tanker hitting
the barriers last year so maybe the CCTV is there for evidence gathering.

Why the lorry driver wasn't charged with endangering passengers on the
railway and sent to jail I don't know. He should have been. This case is
minor by comparison.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In message , Clive D. W. Feather
wrote:
There may be a signal box next door but it doesn't control Foxton level
crossing. That is controlled by CCTV from Cambridge panel.

I don't think that's crossing control CCTV, just traffic-watching CCTV.
A signalling CCTV would be arranged so that the barrier post didn't
block the view.

I happened to go past there today. The camera that took the pictures in
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...red-traffic-li
ght-at-level-crossing-01082011.htm
is definitely not a level crossing camera; apart from anything else,
it's not duplicated.

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(John C) wrote:

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
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"1506" wrote in message

'Tis a pit some of the Horsham terminators are not continuing to
Bognor Regis and/or Littlehampton.

Makes sense, though. They've avoided having to either lengthen
platforms or have SDO on the trains.

...and to be fair passengers are probably quite used to the useful
service pattern south of Horsham nowadays, with the alternate fast
portions to/from Portsmouth and Southampton, and the two Bognor
portions forming the stopping services.

I'm assuming that the Thameslink trains will take over the London Bridge
to Horsham stoppers. What about the other end? If they form what is now
the King's Cross to Cambridge stopper then Meldreth, Shepreth and Foxton
platforms will need to be extended to eight car length.

The Horsham Cambridge trains are to be 12-car. Only for half the semi-fast
off-peak service calls at stations between Cambridge and Royston. I expect
the hourly Horsham-Cambridge service will take over the semi-fast services
that currently depart KGX at xx.53 (was xx.52 until May) and CBG at xx.26. I
presume the xx.06 ex KGX and xx.55 ex CBG will remain 4 cars and continue to
call at all stations to Hatfield.

What they will do in the peaks and evenings when all trains call between
Cambridge and Royston I don't know.

Would extending the platforms at Shepreth be allowed these days on the curve?

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Colin Rosenstiel