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1506 wrote:
If I am mugged it is a crime. If a homosexual is mugged it is a hate
crime.

False.

If a homosexual is mugged *because* she is homosexual, it is a hate
crime. If she is mugged because some low-life wants cash for his drug
habit, it is not a hate crime, just a crime.

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On Aug 25, 1:29*pm, "Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
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1506 wrote:
If I am mugged it is a crime. *If a homosexual is mugged it is a hate
crime.

False.

If a homosexual is mugged *because* she is homosexual, it is a hate
crime. If she is mugged because some low-life wants cash for his drug
habit, it is not a hate crime, just a crime.

When something happens to these people the usual assumptin is that it
happened because they are homosexual.

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:12:45 -0700 (PDT), 1506 wrote:

On Aug 25, 1:29*pm, "Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
In message
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1506 wrote:
If I am mugged it is a crime. *If a homosexual is mugged it is a hate
crime.

False.

If a homosexual is mugged *because* she is homosexual, it is a hate
crime. If she is mugged because some low-life wants cash for his drug
habit, it is not a hate crime, just a crime.

When something happens to these people the usual assumptin is that it
happened because they are homosexual.

This is only the usual assumption among people who routinely regard others
not as unique individuals entitled to equal consideration, but as
undifferentiated members of a group which they can label (often with a
label that has - in the eyes of the labeller - negative overtones).

The act of giving someone such a group-label always reveals the prejudice
of the person doing the labelling, and hardly ever adds any valid and
useful information about the individual who is being labelled.

See, e.g.: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14679657

On 25/08/2011 21:29, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
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1506 wrote:
If I am mugged it is a crime. If a homosexual is mugged it is a hate
crime.

False.

If a homosexual is mugged *because* she is homosexual, it is a hate
crime. If she is mugged because some low-life wants cash for his drug
habit, it is not a hate crime, just a crime.



Wasn't there a rule that the police have to investigate a crime as a
racist attack (or presumably later "hate" crime) if the victim believed
it to be one. They can then decide that it is not a racist/hate crime
but they have to investigate first.

On 25/08/2011 21:29, Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
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,
1506 wrote:
If I am mugged it is a crime. If a homosexual is mugged it is a
hate crime.

False.

If a homosexual is mugged *because* she is homosexual, it is a hate
crime. If she is mugged because some low-life wants cash for his drug
habit, it is not a hate crime, just a crime.

What happens if she believes it was because she is homosexual, but the
mugger disagrees? What standard of proof is needed?

IANAL, but I'm slightly uncomfortable with some classes of victims being
told their incident is "just" a crime. But I am somewhat biased as a
result of having been a young white male English-speaking locally-born
atheist heterosexual victim of an assault that I was quite lucky to survive.
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In message , Arthur
Figgis wrote:
If a homosexual is mugged *because* she is homosexual, it is a hate
crime. If she is mugged because some low-life wants cash for his drug
habit, it is not a hate crime, just a crime.

What happens if she believes it was because she is homosexual, but the
mugger disagrees? What standard of proof is needed?

Since we're talking criminal law, "beyond all reasonable doubt".

IANAL, but I'm slightly uncomfortable with some classes of victims
being told their incident is "just" a crime.

I didn't mean "just" in that sense, only in the grammatical sense.

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