"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
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On 31/08/2011 15:00, tim.... wrote:
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On Aug 31, 11:16 am, Tristán
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If you're on the move, no smartphone or ipad to hand, and normally no
staff anywhere, how does one know whether one will be charged a "tube"
fair from an NR station or a rail fair?

There is a map here...
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...l-rail-map.pdf

Don't know how up to date it is.

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What a strange choice of stations outside of GL that are included.

Grays/Elstree/Epsom Downs in, Epsom/Dartford/Swanley not.

Given that there are Zones 7-9 for outside of GL it seems strange not to
use
them for the stations at the appropriate distance, at least for those
places
that the bus network extends to

In the case of Epsom Downs (and Tattenham Corner) I think it could have
been a case of tidying things up by bringing the whole of each branch into
the zones, rather than having loose ends hanging out over the edge. Epsom
itself is a slightly different situation, as there are non-London ways in
and out (and if Epsom comes in, it's not far to Leatherhead. But seeing as
the trains run through to Dorking, why not end there? And while we are in
Dorking, there's not actually that many trains on the line to Horsham, so
why not... and thus serious mission creep appears).


I'm aware of why Epsom Downs, Tattenham Corner and Caterham were included,
though it still doesn't make sense. If this was about tidying up
terminating lines that go just over the boundary (and it's a pretty big
stretch to say that the TC and Caterham lines go *just* over) what about
Sheperton?

I know that Epsom trains go beyond, but it's still (IMHO) a natural place to
end Oyster as it's an interchange station and London buses go there, which
they don't to Tattenham Corner (any longer). After all, Ewell is outside of
GL, but Oyster goes there?

Are Zones 7-9 about funding - maybe Surrey doesn't chip in?

I don't see that it should need to. All that has to happen is that the
stations are put in whatever zone it is that keeps the fare the same as now.
Pre-Oyster the reason for not including stations outside of London in LT
ticketing was that there wasn't an appropriate fare, all fares were zonal
except for the special point to point fares on the Met. Now that zones have
been "created" for these Met stations I see no reason why they can't be used
to include other stations (and whilst they are at it they can fix some of
the anomalies that have historically paced stations in Zone 6 that really
should have been in 7 or 8!)

tim