Heard on a centrali line train this morning at white city: "This train will be
delayed while the relief driver turns up. I'm told he's on the train behind."

What utter utter ****wit dreamed up that rostering?

B2003

On 2011\09\26 09:48, d wrote:
Heard on a centrali line train this morning at white city: "This train will be
delayed while the relief driver turns up. I'm told he's on the train behind."

What utter utter ****wit dreamed up that rostering?

Obviously the guy was late for work. You clearly find it easier to
complain than to think.

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:02:23 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2011\09\26 09:48, d wrote:
Heard on a centrali line train this morning at white city: "This train will
be
delayed while the relief driver turns up. I'm told he's on the train behind."

What utter utter ****wit dreamed up that rostering?

Obviously the guy was late for work. You clearly find it easier to
complain than to think.

How could he be late for work , he was driving the ****ing train behind!

B2003

On 2011\09\26 10:11, d wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:02:23 +0100
Basil wrote:
On 2011\09\26 09:48, d wrote:
Heard on a centrali line train this morning at white city: "This train will
be
delayed while the relief driver turns up. I'm told he's on the train behind."

What utter utter ****wit dreamed up that rostering?

Obviously the guy was late for work. You clearly find it easier to
complain than to think.

How could he be late for work , he was driving the ****ing train behind!

You didn't say he was driving it.

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:16:44 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2011\09\26 10:11, d wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:02:23 +0100
Basil wrote:
On 2011\09\26 09:48, d wrote:
Heard on a centrali line train this morning at white city: "This train will
be
delayed while the relief driver turns up. I'm told he's on the train
behind."

What utter utter ****wit dreamed up that rostering?

Obviously the guy was late for work. You clearly find it easier to
complain than to think.

How could he be late for work , he was driving the ****ing train behind!

You didn't say he was driving it.

Well he was in the cab of it. Either way , someone else should have taken
the roster. What if he was a passenger and hadn't got that train but the one
behind it? Would he have to leg it from Shepherds bush while we all wait?
As it was we sat there for 5 minutes waiting for this train to turn up.
Typical bloody LU. ****up and brewery etc.

B2003

d wrote on 26 September 2011 10:29:17 ...
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:16:44 +0100
Basil wrote:
On 2011\09\26 10:11, d wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:02:23 +0100
Basil wrote:
On 2011\09\26 09:48, d wrote:
Heard on a centrali line train this morning at white city: "This train will
be
delayed while the relief driver turns up. I'm told he's on the train
behind."

What utter utter ****wit dreamed up that rostering?

Obviously the guy was late for work. You clearly find it easier to
complain than to think.

How could he be late for work , he was driving the ****ing train behind!

You didn't say he was driving it.

Well he was in the cab of it. Either way , someone else should have taken
the roster.

And where do you expect that someone else to be? On the platform just
in case he's needed, in which case there'll be a lot of extra hours
worked "just in case", or in the canteen 5 minutes' walk away?

What if he was a passenger and hadn't got that train but the one
behind it? Would he have to leg it from Shepherds bush while we all wait?
As it was we sat there for 5 minutes waiting for this train to turn up.

Yes, the problem shouldn't have happened, but in the circumstances 5
minutes' delay is about as good as you can expect. With the current
timetables, he'll have made it up by West Ruislip.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

In article , wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:16:44 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2011\09\26 10:11, d wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:02:23 +0100
Basil wrote:
On 2011\09\26 09:48, d wrote:
Heard on a centrali line train this morning at white city: "This train will
be
delayed while the relief driver turns up. I'm told he's on the train
behind."

What utter utter ****wit dreamed up that rostering?

Obviously the guy was late for work. You clearly find it easier to
complain than to think.

How could he be late for work , he was driving the ****ing train behind!

You didn't say he was driving it.

Well he was in the cab of it.

Why do you jump to that conclusion ? You were only told he was on it, not
that he was driving it. If things were out of course already, he could
have been asked to travel to pick your train up and relieve your driver.

Nick
--
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d wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:16:44 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2011\09\26 10:11, d wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 10:02:23 +0100
Basil wrote:
On 2011\09\26 09:48, d wrote:
Heard on a centrali line train this morning at white city: "This train will
be
delayed while the relief driver turns up. I'm told he's on the train
behind."

What utter utter ****wit dreamed up that rostering?

Obviously the guy was late for work. You clearly find it easier to
complain than to think.

How could he be late for work , he was driving the ****ing train behind!

You didn't say he was driving it.

Well he was in the cab of it. Either way , someone else should have taken
the roster.


What, you didn't volunteer?

Far from the characteristics which the OP suggests, the people who have
developed LU's manning and rostering arrangements are

[a] quite bright
[b] successfully deploy a useful toolkit
[c] recognised for that by their peers

As Owain pointed out, basing a relief driver in mid-route makes obvious
sense. It is a practice widely adopted in the transport world, not a
mad LU invention.

When I had to look into rostering arrangements some years ago it was
interesting to see just how many factors have to be taken into account.
You don't just wave 'em out at dawn and back at bedtime! Or say 'OK,
we're working 12 trains on Wednesday, so let's have 13 drivers and tell
them to book on at 15 minute intervals from 0500hrsÉ'

Try a little exercise. You might find a pad of graph paper and a pencil
helpful. Or even one of those wonderful machines called computers,
which you might be surprised to discover can work out all manner of
mathematical and logical problems.

Plot the timetable - in elapsed time as well as clock time
Count the trains required
Do the maths on hours and breaks
Plot booking on and off times
Arrive at first-level daily and weekly crewing figure
Deduct for lieu days, CPD etc etc
Deduct for holidays
Deduct for sickness - do you assume constant at previous year or are
you improving?

É continue hard thinking until you arrive at a net figure

Review all above, particularly assumptions
Revise and repeat
Issue for consultation and review
Revise / repeat as required Ð welcome to the world of multiple iterations

É and as if by magic [or should that be more hard work] your roster appears.
Or not, in which case return to step 1 and start again.

Ken

On 2011-09-26 08:48:35 +0000, d said:

Heard on a centrali line train this morning at white city: "This train will be
delayed while the relief driver turns up. I'm told he's on the train behind."

What utter utter ****wit dreamed up that rostering?

B2003