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Just a bit furious as to why they won't extend the London Overground to Streatham- especially when no new track needs to be built. Crystal Palace to Clapham Junction would join up Balham, Wandsworth and Streatham Hill/Common and all would be well with the world.

Thoughts?

On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:16:49 +0100
BumYoghurt wrote:
Just a bit furious as to why they won't extend the London Overground to
Streatham- especially when no new track needs to be built. Crystal
Palace to Clapham Junction would join up Balham, Wandsworth and
Streatham Hill/Common and all would be well with the world.

I think they are planning on making it circular at some point no?

Thoughts?

Yes, its a pity it doesn't share stations with the central , piccadilly and
northern lines which it crosses. Then it may be genuinely useful to a lot
more people.

B2003

wrote:

On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:16:49 +0100
BumYoghurt wrote:
Just a bit furious as to why they won't extend the London Overground to
Streatham- especially when no new track needs to be built. Crystal
Palace to Clapham Junction would join up Balham, Wandsworth and
Streatham Hill/Common and all would be well with the world.

I think they are planning on making it circular at some point no?

Sort of, depending upon your definition of circular - phase 2, due to open
in December 2012, will add a new branch to the East London Line from Surrey
Quays to Clapham Jn (via Queens Rd Peckham, Peckham Rye, Denmark Hill,
Clapham High St, Wandsworth Rd, then Clapham Jn). Trains won't actually run
through onto the West London Line though - pax will need to change trains at
Clapham Jn if they want to head to say Kensington Olympia (this change will
be v easy though).

There are I think various thoughts about further London Overground services
south of the river, specifically from Crystal Palace via Streatham to
Clapham Jn, but nothing's imminent on that front.


Thoughts?

Yes, its a pity it doesn't share stations with the central , piccadilly
and
northern lines which it crosses. Then it may be genuinely useful to a lot
more people.

Clapham High Street to Clapham North (Northern line) is a pretty easy
interchange.

On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:07:09 +0100
"Mizter T" wrote:
Yes, its a pity it doesn't share stations with the central , piccadilly
and
northern lines which it crosses. Then it may be genuinely useful to a lot
more people.

Clapham High Street to Clapham North (Northern line) is a pretty easy
interchange.

I was thinking more of the NLL where it whizzes past a load of tube lines
without stopping. Obviously this isn't TfLs fault but I can't help wondering
why for example North Acton on the central line was built about 300 metres
away from where the NLL crosses it instead of building a station there.
But then it doesn't even interchange with the piccadilly line which also
crosses it which is Gold standard ****wittedness on the part of the original
builders of both lines.

B2003

In message , d
writes

Obviously this isn't TfLs fault but I can't help wondering
why for example North Acton on the central line was built about 300 metres
away from where the NLL crosses it instead of building a station there.

Rivalry between competing private companies.

North Action was on the New North Main Line - a joint scheme of the
Great Central and Great Western to speed up their access from the
midlands to London.

The North London Line, on the other hand, was essentially under the
control of their great rivals - the LNWR and the Midland Railway.

--
Paul Terry

On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:26:38 +0100
Paul Terry wrote:
In message , d
writes

Obviously this isn't TfLs fault but I can't help wondering
why for example North Acton on the central line was built about 300 metres
away from where the NLL crosses it instead of building a station there.

Rivalry between competing private companies.

Figures.

B2003

On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 03:53:52PM +0000, d wrote:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:16:49 +0100
BumYoghurt wrote:
Just a bit furious as to why they won't extend the London Overground to
Streatham- especially when no new track needs to be built. Crystal
Palace to Clapham Junction would join up Balham, Wandsworth and
Streatham Hill/Common and all would be well with the world.
I think they are planning on making it circular at some point no?

Sort of. There will be no Overground services going *through* Clapham
Junction, and no services starting at Clapham Junction, going all the
way round the circle, and ending at Clapham Junction.

--
David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

You can't spell AWESOME without ME!

Does anyone know why not? I distinctly remember hearing Ken Livingstone in his day saying that the London Overground would provide London for the first time ever with a circular service through the suburbs. He quite obviously saw the London Overground as a kind of Outer Circle Line.

Currently we have services from New Cross etc terminating at Highbury And Islington while other services from Stratford go through Highbury And Islington to Clapham Junction. Why is this arrangement better than a straightforward Outer Circle system?

On Oct 7, 7:41*pm, Robin9 wrote:
David Cantrell;123554 Wrote:



There will be no Overground services going *through* Clapham
Junction, and no services starting at Clapham Junction, going all the
way round the circle, and ending at Clapham Junction.

Does anyone know why not? I distinctly remember hearing Ken Livingstone
in his day saying that the London Overground would provide London for
the first time ever with a circular service through the suburbs. He
quite obviously saw the London Overground as a kind of Outer Circle
Line.

Currently we have services from New Cross etc terminating at Highbury
And Islington while other services from Stratford go through Highbury
And Islington to Clapham Junction. Why is this arrangement better than a
straightforward Outer Circle system?

--
Robin9

Because it provides terminating points where the service can recover
as well as provide isolation from disruptions on the other half.

Think about what happens on the inner Circle Line when a train breaks
down. Nothing can pass it, so services back up, and until you get to a
point where you can reverse trains, everything grinds to a halt.

In an ideal world, you'd perhaps have two semi-circular services
operating on the Circle instead: Something like Kings Cross to South
Kensington via Liverpool St., and Kings Cross to South Kensington via
Notting Hill Gate. Problem is that some will want to get from one half
to the other without changing. Notting Hill to Liverpool St is easy -
use the Central Line, but something like Paddington to Aldgate is a
bit more problematic. Have another pair of overlapping services
perhaps, maybe between Tower Hill & Paddington...but space for the
terminating platforms needed is hard to find, so the ideal locations
aren't always possible.

"Jamie Thompson" wrote in message

On Oct 7, 7:41 pm, Robin9 wrote:
David Cantrell;123554 Wrote:



There will be no Overground services going *through* Clapham
Junction, and no services starting at Clapham Junction, going all
the way round the circle, and ending at Clapham Junction.

Does anyone know why not? I distinctly remember hearing Ken
Livingstone in his day saying that the London Overground would
provide London for the first time ever with a circular service
through the suburbs. He quite obviously saw the London Overground as
a kind of Outer Circle Line.

Currently we have services from New Cross etc terminating at Highbury
And Islington while other services from Stratford go through Highbury
And Islington to Clapham Junction. Why is this arrangement better
than a straightforward Outer Circle system?

--
Robin9

Because it provides terminating points where the service can recover
as well as provide isolation from disruptions on the other half.

Think about what happens on the inner Circle Line when a train breaks
down. Nothing can pass it, so services back up, and until you get to a
point where you can reverse trains, everything grinds to a halt.

In an ideal world, you'd perhaps have two semi-circular services
operating on the Circle instead: Something like Kings Cross to South
Kensington via Liverpool St., and Kings Cross to South Kensington via
Notting Hill Gate. Problem is that some will want to get from one half
to the other without changing. Notting Hill to Liverpool St is easy -
use the Central Line, but something like Paddington to Aldgate is a
bit more problematic. Have another pair of overlapping services
perhaps, maybe between Tower Hill & Paddington...but space for the
terminating platforms needed is hard to find, so the ideal locations
aren't always possible.

Well, that's why the Circle line is no longer circular: it's two
services that meet at Edgware Road. If you want to go from Bayswater to
Baker St, you have to change trains (unless you choose to go the much
longer wrong way round).