The Government has allowed a 10-year trial of longer lorries leading
to increased safety concerns and making urban traffic flow more
difficult. The Government gave the go-ahead for a trial of longer semi-
trailer vehicles - up to 18.55m (60ft) long.

The longer lorries will make it more difficult for other traffic to
enter the flow of traffic at slip roads and cause concern when
overtaking cyclists. The DfT’s own analysis found that the threat from
certain slow manoeuvres could increase by as much as 9%. Cyclists are
particularly at risk from lorries engaged in such manoeuvres, which
from 2005 to 2009, accounted for 40% of fatal cycle crashes involving
an articulated lorry.

The longer lorries are not suited to the smaller towns and villages
across the UK and the claims made for their benefit are in question.
HGVs have double the accident rate of light goods vehicles in urban
areas. The trials should be stopped and alternative approaches more
suitable to the UK, considered.

Better to use and improve the rail system. see http://epetitions.direct.gov..uk/petitions/20022

The rail system is inappropriate for and irrelevant to most movement of goods currently carried out in this country by road vehicles. Improving the rail system will not make it more relevant or appropriate.

The purpose of a trial is to arrive at the truth. You seem to have made up your mind in advance. Some people will prefer to wait until the evidence is available before deciding.

On 27 Oct, 16:01, Robin9 wrote:
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The Government has allowed a 10-year trial of longer lorries leading
to increased safety concerns and making urban traffic flow more
difficult. The Government gave the go-ahead for a trial of longer semi-
trailer vehicles - up to 18.55m (60ft) long.

The longer lorries will make it more difficult for other traffic to
enter the flow of traffic at slip roads and cause concern when
overtaking cyclists. The DfT s own analysis found that the threat from
certain slow manoeuvres could increase by as much as 9%. Cyclists are
particularly at risk from lorries engaged in such manoeuvres, which
from 2005 to 2009, accounted for 40% of fatal cycle crashes involving
an articulated lorry.

The longer lorries are not suited to the smaller towns and villages
across the UK and the claims made for their benefit are in question.
HGVs have double the accident rate of light goods vehicles in urban
areas. The trials should be stopped and alternative approaches more
suitable to the UK, considered.

Better to use and improve the rail system. see
http://epetitions.direct.gov..uk/petitions/20022

The rail system is inappropriate for and irrelevant to most movement of
goods currently carried out in this country by road vehicles. Improving
the rail system will not make it more relevant or appropriate.

The purpose of a trial is to arrive at the truth. You seem to have made
up your mind in advance. Some people will prefer to wait until the
evidence is available before deciding.

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Exactly Robin and are people who oppose longer lorries happy to pay
more for their shopping?

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01:18:16 on Thu, 17 Nov 2011, George
remarked:
are people who oppose longer lorries happy to pay more for their
shopping?

If they were told how much more, they could make a decision.

I note that there are many quite heavy or bulky items on sale in shops
for sums in the region of 10p. Unless they are sold at a loss, that
price includes the shipping cost, which may therefore be less per item
(and therefore susceptible to a lower price increase) than the
doom-mongers suggest.
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Roland Perry

On Oct 27, 12:24*pm, wrote:
The Government has allowed a 10-year trial of longer lorries leading
to increased safety concerns and making urban traffic flow more
difficult. The Government gave the go-ahead for a trial of longer semi-
trailer vehicles - up to 18.55m (60ft) long.

The longer lorries will make it more difficult for other traffic to
enter the flow of traffic at slip roads and cause concern when
overtaking cyclists. The DfT’s own analysis found that the threat from
certain slow manoeuvres could increase by as much as 9%. Cyclists are
particularly at risk from lorries engaged in such manoeuvres, which
from 2005 to 2009, accounted for 40% of fatal cycle crashes involving
an articulated lorry.

The longer lorries are not suited to the smaller towns and villages
across the UK and the claims made for their benefit are in question.
HGVs have double the accident rate of light goods vehicles in urban
areas. The trials should be stopped and alternative approaches more
suitable to the UK, considered.

Better to use and improve the rail system. seehttp://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20022

So get rid of bendybuses because they are too long, but lengthen
lorries instead? Wonderful!

I don't know if you've noticed but the discussion about bigger and heavier lorries, trailers etc concerns their general use, including on motorways, and is not exclusively about their appropriateness within London. I'm sure no-one has suggested that bendy buses cause major problems on motorways, in service stations or in industrial estates.