I have seen nothing on recent (since October 25) changes to Service
update diagrams shown on screens at most London Underground stations,
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/realtime/tube/default.html,
the Tubs service updates iGoogle app, etc.

1) DLR and Overground have been added. ISTR this is because a particular
TfL manager is responsible for all 3 services.

2) Screens show one column in a smaller font instead of two.

3) The most interesting change is the layout which used to show one
alphabetic list. It now shows a possibly-empty, disturbed service list
and a list with Good service or Minor delays. I think that is a useful
change, but would prefer to see "Minor delays" (up to 5 minutes) viewed
as disturbed . On screens, disturbed services are shown on a blue
background; others on a white background. Screens also show disturbances
to national rail services. Screens used to detail disturbances one at a
time. Details are now shown together. It used to take an unreasonable
time to cycle through disturbance details - particularly at the weekend.

IMHO, an improvement on balance.
--
Walter Briscoe

In message , at 09:15:55 on Sat, 12
Nov 2011, Walter Briscoe remarked:
I have seen nothing on recent (since October 25) changes to Service
update diagrams shown on screens at most London Underground stations,
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/realtime/tube/default.html,
the Tubs service updates iGoogle app, etc.

The map should really be inverted (closed lines greyed out, operating
ones shown in colour).

ps looks like a busy weekend - I don't suppose they are accepting tube
tickets on Heathrow Connect?? Although they've simultaneously made
getting to Paddington very difficult.
--
Roland Perry

The map should really be inverted (closed lines greyed out, operating
ones shown in colour).

I thought humans were better at spotting the presence of things rather
than their absence. Hence also the use of lights which come on to warn
drivers, pilots etc that something maybe wrong rather than lights which
are usually on but go out to do so?

--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

ps looks like a busy weekend - I don't suppose they are accepting
tube tickets on Heathrow Connect?? Although they've simultaneously
made getting to Paddington very difficult.

Extraordinary lack of co-ordination which will really make passengers' lives
difficult. Why does this happen so often these days?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Nov 12, 10:03*am, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 09:15:55 on Sat, 12
Nov 2011, Walter Briscoe remarked:

I have seen nothing on recent (since October 25) changes to Service
update diagrams shown on screens at most London Underground stations,
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/realtime/tube/default.html,
the Tubs service updates iGoogle app, etc.

The map should really be inverted (closed lines greyed out, operating
ones shown in colour).

I'm not sure that'd really make things clear in terms of which lines
are closed - though when we last discussed this, people have opposing
takes on the matter.


ps looks like a busy weekend - I don't suppose they are accepting
tube tickets on Heathrow Connect??

Nope.

Although they've simultaneously made
getting to Paddington very difficult.

Not ideal, though there is the Bakerloo line - also, FWIW, I've heard
the express replacement bus services laid on to cover for the
Piccadilly line closure are fairly decent (there are two from Acton
Town, one to HLR T1&3, one to T4 and T5).

On Nov 12, 11:48*am, wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

ps looks like a busy weekend - I don't suppose they are accepting
tube tickets on Heathrow Connect?? Although they've simultaneously
made getting to Paddington very difficult.

Extraordinary lack of co-ordination which will really make passengers' lives
difficult. Why does this happen so often these days?

I wonder if they were trying to keep the line closures away from lines
that serve Westminster and Whitehall, given that tomorrow is
Remembrance Sunday (so lots of people wanting to get there, and lots
of road closures) - last year, both the Victoria and Jubilee lines
were closed in their entirety [1], which I don't think was necessarily
best appreciated.

There's also the Lord Mayor's Show today, so lots of people and lots
of road closures in the City as well to take account of. (Good
fireworks too, if you didn't get enough of them last weekend!)

So perhaps not "extraordinary lack of co-ordination", just the result
of weighing competing factors up and then making a tough decision?

FWIW there are a lot of weekend line closures in the run up to
Christmas, so as they say, always best to check before you travel.

-----
[1] I made a note of what was closed this time last year in my first
post in this thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.tr...4f89a153c1c63/

In message , at 10:57:14 on Sat, 12 Nov
2011, Robin remarked:
The map should really be inverted (closed lines greyed out, operating
ones shown in colour).

I thought humans were better at spotting the presence of things rather
than their absence.

Exactly. And what the traveller needs to know is the presence of lines
that are working.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 05:48:00
on Sat, 12 Nov 2011, remarked:
ps looks like a busy weekend - I don't suppose they are accepting
tube tickets on Heathrow Connect?? Although they've simultaneously
made getting to Paddington very difficult.

Extraordinary lack of co-ordination which will really make passengers' lives
difficult. Why does this happen so often these days?

Probably isn't happening more, but we have the information systems to
notice it's happening.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
05:48:00 on Sat, 12 Nov 2011, remarked:
ps looks like a busy weekend - I don't suppose they are accepting
tube tickets on Heathrow Connect?? Although they've simultaneously
made getting to Paddington very difficult.

Extraordinary lack of co-ordination which will really make passengers'
lives difficult. Why does this happen so often these days?

Probably isn't happening more, but we have the information systems to
notice it's happening.

I don't remember multiple lines obstructed in the past.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 12/11/2011 14:40, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:57:14 on Sat, 12 Nov
2011, Robin remarked:
The map should really be inverted (closed lines greyed out, operating
ones shown in colour).

I thought humans were better at spotting the presence of things rather
than their absence.

Exactly. And what the traveller needs to know is the presence of lines
that are working.

While I live away from Underground-land so am (thankfully!) an
infrequent user, I still have to think twice and remind myself that
those map are the "wrong" way round every time I need to use one.

Perhaps they help people with much less knowledge of the network than
commuters and semi-regular users? Though I'm pretty sure I've overhead
other people misunderstanding them too.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK