"Phil Richards" wrote in message
...
Yet another lengthened journey home tonight thanks to problems with "over
sensitive" doors on the Victoria Line. Driver regularly announcing
passengers to keep clear which when you've got delays in the peak is not
always that easy. On this occasion the driver announced something trapped
in doors of car 4, then later on, in car 3. I doubt for one minute many
passengers in the middle of a train would know which car they are in the
first place. From what I gather 1 is the front, 8 at the rear.


The delay caused by the sensitive edge doors appears disproportionate to the
benefit. The Victoria line used to be ultra reliable. Now it's just a
shambles.

John

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:27:07 -0000
"John C" wrote:
The delay caused by the sensitive edge doors appears disproportionate to the
benefit. The Victoria line used to be ultra reliable. Now it's just a
shambles.

Just wait until we have fully automatic trains with no drivers at the front.
That'll be utter chaos. It might work on the DLR but that never sees the
crush loadings you get on the tube. Much as I despise Bob Crowe he's right
about this one.

B2003

In message of Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:47:40
in uk.transport.london, d writes
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:27:07 -0000
"John C" wrote:
The delay caused by the sensitive edge doors appears disproportionate to the
benefit. The Victoria line used to be ultra reliable. Now it's just a
shambles.

Agreed. This morning about 845, I was on a Central Line train which
juddered to a halt approaching Bethnal Green. "Please don't lean on the
doors" soon followed from the driver.


Just wait until we have fully automatic trains with no drivers at the front.
That'll be utter chaos. It might work on the DLR but that never sees the
crush loadings you get on the tube. Much as I despise Bob Crowe he's right

When did Boltar last do Bank - Canary Wharf at 0830?

about this one.

In 1967, when automatic train operation was introduced on the Victoria
Line, drivers applied muscle to become the highest paid Underground
drivers.
The saving in running costs probably justifies a premium.


B2003


--
Walter Briscoe

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:23:25 +0000
Walter Briscoe wrote:
In message of Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:47:40
in uk.transport.london, d writes
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:27:07 -0000
"John C" wrote:
The delay caused by the sensitive edge doors appears disproportionate to the
benefit. The Victoria line used to be ultra reliable. Now it's just a
shambles.

Agreed. This morning about 845, I was on a Central Line train which
juddered to a halt approaching Bethnal Green. "Please don't lean on the
doors" soon followed from the driver.


Just wait until we have fully automatic trains with no drivers at the front.
That'll be utter chaos. It might work on the DLR but that never sees the
crush loadings you get on the tube. Much as I despise Bob Crowe he's right

When did Boltar last do Bank - Canary Wharf at 0830?

2001.

Is it as rammed as the tube now?

In 1967, when automatic train operation was introduced on the Victoria
Line, drivers applied muscle to become the highest paid Underground
drivers.

Why doesn't that susprise me - get paid more for doing lessÂ. I can see why
LU want to get shot of them altogether.

The saving in running costs probably justifies a premium.

Why? Any savings should go into reduced ticket prices for passengers, not
higher wages for the lazy ****s at the front.

B2003

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:08:33 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:23:25 +0000
Walter Briscoe wrote:
In message of Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:47:40
in uk.transport.london, d writes
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:27:07 -0000
"John C" wrote:
The delay caused by the sensitive edge doors appears disproportionate to the
benefit. The Victoria line used to be ultra reliable. Now it's just a
shambles.

Agreed. This morning about 845, I was on a Central Line train which
juddered to a halt approaching Bethnal Green. "Please don't lean on the
doors" soon followed from the driver.


Just wait until we have fully automatic trains with no drivers at the front.
That'll be utter chaos. It might work on the DLR but that never sees the
crush loadings you get on the tube. Much as I despise Bob Crowe he's right

When did Boltar last do Bank - Canary Wharf at 0830?

2001.

Is it as rammed as the tube now?

In 1967, when automatic train operation was introduced on the Victoria
Line, drivers applied muscle to become the highest paid Underground
drivers.

Why doesn't that susprise me - get paid more for doing lessÂ.

Like bosses sitting in the office while others do the sweating ?

I can see why LU want to get shot of them altogether.

The saving in running costs probably justifies a premium.

Why? Any savings should go into reduced ticket prices for passengers, not
higher wages for the lazy ****s at the front.

B2003

Walter Briscoe wrote:

In 1967, when automatic train operation was introduced on the Victoria
Line, drivers applied muscle to become the highest paid Underground
drivers.

The saving in running costs probably justifies a premium.

They were the first LU drivers to have responsibility for door
operation, I presume, hence the negotiation for a premium payment?

Or were there guards, originally, on the Vic?

Or was the premium demanded because of the 'white collar'
responsibilities of operating (basically) a big computer, in a time
before mass computing?

Chris

In article ,
(Chris Read) wrote:

Walter Briscoe wrote:

In 1967, when automatic train operation was introduced on the Victoria
Line, drivers applied muscle to become the highest paid Underground
drivers.

The saving in running costs probably justifies a premium.

They were the first LU drivers to have responsibility for door
operation, I presume, hence the negotiation for a premium payment?

Or were there guards, originally, on the Vic?

No. Never. The 1967 stock never provided for doors to be operated from
anywhere but the driver's desks in the cabs.

Or was the premium demanded because of the 'white collar'
responsibilities of operating (basically) a big computer, in a time
before mass computing?

Market pricing, wasn't it?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Chris Read" wrote

They were the first LU drivers to have responsibility for door
operation, I presume, hence the negotiation for a premium payment?

Or were there guards, originally, on the Vic?

No.

Peter

In message , Chris Read
writes
They were the first LU drivers to have responsibility for door
operation, I presume, hence the negotiation for a premium payment?
Or were there guards, originally, on the Vic?
The premium was paid because guards were done away with on the Vic. from
the outset.
--
Clive

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