On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:43:15 +0000
Robin9 wrote:
Stratford was not and still is not "over-served". The Central Line is a
severely overloaded service and relief was and still is urgently needed.

Oh come off it. It already had a direct service to liverpool street, the
central line, the DLR and its allegedly international station. For a run down
multiculti ghetto thats pretty bloody good going.

The fact that the Jubilee Line trains run at three minute intervals and
are crowded even at weekends demonstrates that the Jubilee Line concept

Well they may well crowded now due to westfield but thats another matter.

was good. As for Thamesmead, that was a Cross Rail destination and may
still be, but Thamesmead is not a major passenger interchange point like
Stratford . . . and Clapham Junction.

Neither are cockfosters, barnet, edgeware, stanmore ... perhaps the tube
shouldn't have bothered to go there?

B2003

No. You come off it! Your complaint is feverish and irrational. Whether or not a station or area is adequately served or "over-served" revolves essentially around the ratio between the number of passengers and the amount of transport provision. Your low opinion of the area and its residents is irrelevant. Stratford is in a densely populated part of inner London and is a major passenger interchange station. Consequently the number of passengers using Stratford is extremely high and the transport provision needs to be correspondingly high.

Your belief that the Jubilee Line trains have been crowded only since the opening of Westfield shows how little you know about the Jubilee Line and Stratford.

Your reference to Cockfosters, Barnet, Stanmore and Edgeware is completely beside the point. Those four places have no alternative rail transport. Thamesmead will be part of the Cross Rail system and has Abbey Wood and Plumstead stations nearby already. Not taking the Jubilee Line to Thamesmead did not mean the area would be without rail transport. Your comparison is not valid.

On Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:22:24 +0000
Robin9 wrote:
No. You come off it! Your complaint is feverish and irrational. Whether

Ooo, "feverish and irrational". Going to up the ante anymore? Will Mr Godwin
be invoked soon?

residents is irrelevant. Stratford is in a densely populated part of
inner London and is a major passenger interchange station. Consequently

All parts of residential inner london are densely populated. Should all of
these areas be served by tube, 2 light rail stations and mainline rail then?
Poor old Hackney eh?

the number of passengers using Stratford is extremely high and the

Extremely high compared to where? The ONLY thing the JLE does is provide
another route to docklands from stratford, the logic behind that presumably to
allow canary wharf workers to get to work 5 mins quicker than on the DLR. I
fail to see how its of much benefit to the chavs who live in stratford. It
would however have been of enormous benefit to Thamesmead allowing that area to
grow much faster that it has and provide affordable homes for commuters.

Your belief that the Jubilee Line trains have been crowded only since
the opening of Westfield shows how little you know about the Jubilee
Line and Stratford.

Well I travelled on the JLE not long after it opened and the trains were a
long way from being full.

Your reference to Cockfosters, Barnet, Stanmore and Edgeware is
completely beside the point. Those four places have no alternative rail
transport.

********. New Barnet station on the ECML is a short bus ride from High Barnet
and cockfosters. Mill Hill Broadway on the MML is another short bus ride from
edgware.

Thamesmead will be part of the Cross Rail system and has

That was unknown at the time so thats a non argument. And its ok for the area
to have had to wait for 15 years is it?

Abbey Wood and Plumstead stations nearby already. Not taking the Jubilee
Line to Thamesmead did not mean the area would be without rail
transport. Your comparison is not valid.

Using that idiotic argument nowhere should ever be considered for a tube line
because something else might come along in the future.

B2003

Yes! Densely populated parts of inner London that are also major passenger interchange points ideally would be served by several lines; and by various bus routes as well. Hackney is without a tube service only because various Governments have delayed giving the Hackney/Chelsea lines the go-ahead.

The number of passengers using Stratford is extremely high compared to any non-passenger interchange station and to several that are interchange stations. Providing an extra route from Stratford to Docklands is most certainly not the only thing the Jubilee Line achieves.

All places in London are only a bus ride - or three - away from a railway station, but when the Piccadilly Line was extended to Cockfosters there were far fewer bus services in the outer suburbs than now and a far greater percentage of London's population worked in central London. In addition the manually operated semaphore signalling system did not allow close headway between trains. The idea that thin-on-the-ground 1930s bus services would transport the working populations of Cockfosters, Oakwood and Southgate etc. to various railway stations where they could cram into steam trains that were already overcrowded is unrealistic. I'm not at all surprised that the Piccadilly Line and Northern Line were extended northwards. Today's situation is quite different of course, politically, financially, socially and technically, and decisions made several decades ago have minimal relevance to today's problems.

Your last paragraph makes no sense at all in this context.