"Richard J." wrote in message
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If so, do you experience any noise and vibration?

As a child I regularly visited the cinema in Turnpike Lane, and the
Piccadilly trains were quite audible. Tunnel, track and train construction
have improved since then, though, but you can still hear Victoria Line
trains while standing on the (overground) platforms at Drayton Park.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

"John Rowland" wrote in message ...
"Richard J." wrote in message
...

If so, do you experience any noise and vibration?

As a child I regularly visited the cinema in Turnpike Lane, and the
Piccadilly trains were quite audible. Tunnel, track and train construction
have improved since then, though, but you can still hear Victoria Line
trains while standing on the (overground) platforms at Drayton Park.

As an aside , what happened to the tunnels that went north from drayton
park to finsbury park? I know the bits near finsbury were reused but what
about the rest of them? Are the tunnels still there or were they filled in?

B2003

Boltar wrote:

As an aside , what happened to the tunnels that went north from drayton
park to finsbury park? I know the bits near finsbury were reused but what
about the rest of them? Are the tunnels still there or were they filled in?

This should answer your question:

http://www.pendar.pwp.blueyonder.co....aytonPark.html

"Richard J." wrote in message ...
Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels
are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the
trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly
above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you experience
any noise and vibration?

Similarly, have you had any cracks and subsidence? There was a report in
March 2002 that the land above the line of the JLE had sunk by the odd
centimetre.

My sister's house is above the Central Line tunnels and you can hear a
very low rumbling sound when all else is quiet - it is almost felt
rather than heard. They are used to it but when I stay the night the
first train in the morning sometimes wakes me up. The house is about
100 years old and some cracks and settlement were noted by the
surveyor when they bought it - but nothing serious or unusual for a
property of that age.

She also has the DLR running behind her back garden and a bus garage
at the front - but she seems to be happy there!

In addition to the widely reported 'disappearance into the void' of a
number of back gardens in Stratford there are also apparaently cracks
appearing in properties in Romford Road above the Channel Tunnel Rail
Link. Apparently the official response is that the tunneling may well
have caused limited ground settlement and Union Railways have offered
to survey the properties and repair any damage caused by this.

On 7 Jan 2004 11:03:55 -0800, (umpston) wrote:

[noise from tunnels]
My sister's house is above the Central Line tunnels and you can hear a
very low rumbling sound when all else is quiet - it is almost felt
rather than heard. They are used to it but when I stay the night the
first train in the morning sometimes wakes me up. The house is about
100 years old and some cracks and settlement were noted by the
surveyor when they bought it - but nothing serious or unusual for a
property of that age.

She also has the DLR running behind her back garden and a bus garage
at the front - but she seems to be happy there!

she must live in Bow then!

In addition to the widely reported 'disappearance into the void' of a
number of back gardens in Stratford there are also apparaently cracks
appearing in properties in Romford Road above the Channel Tunnel Rail
Link. Apparently the official response is that the tunneling may well
have caused limited ground settlement and Union Railways have offered
to survey the properties and repair any damage caused by this.

they are required to do so under the order / act that allowed the
construction of the link. It is standard practice for such undertakings
to be made.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:26:15 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels
are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the
trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly
above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you experience
any noise and vibration?

I don't live above a tube tunnel. However the Crossrail tunnels are
likely to be far deeper than tube tunnels. They will also be constructed
to far higher standards than any tube line in London barring the recent
DLR and JLE tunnels. While I don't think anyone can provide a guarantee
that there will be no noise I would say the risk from modern
infrastructure design and modern rolling stock will be low. Obvious
areas of potential environmental harm will have to be identified and
mitigated / removed in order for the project to proceed.

Similarly, have you had any cracks and subsidence? There was a report in
March 2002 that the land above the line of the JLE had sunk by the odd
centimetre.

Not aware of any JLE subsidence but there are provisions in the
legislation that allowed construction to put right any damage that is
demonstrably caused by the line. Such provisions are standard practice
and usually put in place to deal with issues raised by objectors to the
scheme.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:26:15 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail
tunnels are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their
homes when the trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives
or works directly above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel?
If so, do you experience any noise and vibration?

I don't live above a tube tunnel. However the Crossrail tunnels are
likely to be far deeper than tube tunnels.

Actually the Crossrail tunnel from the Great Western main line to Chiswick
will be 17 - 18 metres below the surface, which I think is about average
for tube tunnels in London.

Even in Central London, the Crossrail tunnels will run *above* the Jubilee,
Northern, Central, and Piccadilly lines in the Oxford Stret/Holborn area.
There is a vertical section through the central part of the route at
http://www.crossrail.co.uk/80256B090053AF4C/Files/genericpanels/$FILE/central+london+stations.pdf

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 23:27:44 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote:
I don't live above a tube tunnel. However the Crossrail tunnels are
likely to be far deeper than tube tunnels.

Actually the Crossrail tunnel from the Great Western main line to Chiswick
will be 17 - 18 metres below the surface, which I think is about average
for tube tunnels in London.

Even in Central London, the Crossrail tunnels will run *above* the Jubilee,
Northern, Central, and Piccadilly lines in the Oxford Stret/Holborn area.
There is a vertical section through the central part of the route at
http://www.crossrail.co.uk/80256B090053AF4C/Files/genericpanels/$FILE/central+london+stations.pdf

yes - I did say "likely to be", not definitely.

anyway - are you collating these comments as some sort of evidence to
mount a challenge to the Crossrail or to stop a challenge?
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul Corfield wrote:

anyway - are you collating these comments as some sort of evidence to
mount a challenge to the Crossrail or to stop a challenge?

Crossrail have said that they will design the tunnels and tracks "with the
aim that noise levels in overlying buildings will be below the significance
criteria of 40 dB(LAmax,S)". That doesn't mean much to most people, and I
wanted to find out what was being experieced at present. No comments so
far from the JLE, which would be interesting as an example of a modern
line.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"Richard J." wrote in
:

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:26:15 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail
tunnels are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their
homes when the trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives
or works directly above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel?
If so, do you experience any noise and vibration?

I don't live above a tube tunnel. However the Crossrail tunnels are
likely to be far deeper than tube tunnels.

Actually the Crossrail tunnel from the Great Western main line to
Chiswick will be 17 - 18 metres below the surface, which I think is
about average for tube tunnels in London.

Even in Central London, the Crossrail tunnels will run *above* the
Jubilee, Northern, Central, and Piccadilly lines in the Oxford
Stret/Holborn area. There is a vertical section through the central
part of the route at
http://www.crossrail.co.uk/80256B090...genericpanels/
$FILE/c
entral+london+stations.pdf


any one spot a possible error in the typical station design?