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In message , woutster
writes any one spot a possible error in the typical station design? The lifts are misnamed (street level to ticket hall, and ticket hall to platform, are transposed). -- Roland Perry |
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woutster wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in : Even in Central London, the Crossrail tunnels will run *above* the Jubilee, Northern, Central, and Piccadilly lines in the Oxford Stret/Holborn area. There is a vertical section through the central part of the route at http://www.crossrail.co.uk/80256B090053AF4C/Files/genericpanels/$FILE/central+london+stations.pdf any one spot a possible error in the typical station design? They've got the two western lifts labelled the wrong way round, but that's a presentation fault, not an error with the design. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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"Richard J." wrote in
: woutster wrote: "Richard J." wrote in : Even in Central London, the Crossrail tunnels will run *above* the Jubilee, Northern, Central, and Piccadilly lines in the Oxford Stret/Holborn area. There is a vertical section through the central part of the route at http://www.crossrail.co.uk/80256B090...genericpanels/ $FILE/c entral+london+stations.pdf any one spot a possible error in the typical station design? They've got the two western lifts labelled the wrong way round, but that's a presentation fault, not an error with the design. admitidly not an error in design, but still an issue that should have been noticed before publication |
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In article , Paul Corfield
wrote: On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:26:15 GMT, "Richard J." wrote: Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you experience any noise and vibration? I don't live above a tube tunnel. However the Crossrail tunnels are likely to be far deeper than tube tunnels. They will also be constructed to far higher standards than any tube line in London barring the recent DLR and JLE tunnels. While I don't think anyone can provide a guarantee that there will be no noise I would say the risk from modern infrastructure design and modern rolling stock will be low. Obvious areas of potential environmental harm will have to be identified and mitigated / removed in order for the project to proceed. Similarly, have you had any cracks and subsidence? There was a report in March 2002 that the land above the line of the JLE had sunk by the odd centimetre. Not aware of any JLE subsidence but there are provisions in the legislation that allowed construction to put right any damage that is demonstrably caused by the line. Such provisions are standard practice and usually put in place to deal with issues raised by objectors to the scheme. Before the JLE was built there was a major programme of condition surveys to record all cracks etc in buildings along the route. This included much of Whitehall, the Palace of Westminster and Boudica's statue. This was to ensure that no one was able to claim for pre-existing problems. (Including presumably the Government). There was a lot of press nonsense about the effect of the construction of Westminster station on the Victoria Tower, including from one paper that did not seem to know the difference between metres and milli-metres. The effect was less than that during the construction of the underground car park in the 1970's. The tower moves just as much between tides in the River Thames! John |
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![]() "Richard J." wrote in message ... Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you experience any noise and vibration? Similarly, have you had any cracks and subsidence? There was a report in March 2002 that the land above the line of the JLE had sunk by the odd centimetre. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) Anybody who wishes to experience this sort of thing only has to pop into the "Salisbury" pub on Green Lanes between Manor House & Turnpike Lane for a couple of pints. Sit by the fireplace on the Manor House side of the pub and revel in the Piccadilly Rumble. -- Cheers, Steve. If The Good Lord had meant for us to be fiscally prudent, He would not have given us the platinum credit card... Change colour to PC Plod's lights to reply. |
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![]() "Steve Dulieu" wrote in message ... "Richard J." wrote in message ... Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you experience any noise and vibration? Similarly, have you had any cracks and subsidence? There was a report in March 2002 that the land above the line of the JLE had sunk by the odd centimetre. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) Anybody who wishes to experience this sort of thing only has to pop into the "Salisbury" pub on Green Lanes between Manor House & Turnpike Lane for a couple of pints. Sit by the fireplace on the Manor House side of the pub and revel in the Piccadilly Rumble. -- The North Star on the Finchley Road is good for this too, the Metropolitan line runs a few feet below the cellar floor. Andrew |
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Steve Dulieu wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message ... Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you experience any noise and vibration? Similarly, have you had any cracks and subsidence? There was a report in March 2002 that the land above the line of the JLE had sunk by the odd centimetre. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) Anybody who wishes to experience this sort of thing only has to pop into the "Salisbury" pub on Green Lanes between Manor House & Turnpike Lane for a couple of pints. Sit by the fireplace on the Manor House side of the pub and revel in the Piccadilly Rumble. Do you know how deep the Piccadilly is at that location? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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![]() "Richard J." wrote in message ... Steve Dulieu wrote: "Richard J." wrote in message ... Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you experience any noise and vibration? Similarly, have you had any cracks and subsidence? There was a report in March 2002 that the land above the line of the JLE had sunk by the odd centimetre. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) Anybody who wishes to experience this sort of thing only has to pop into the "Salisbury" pub on Green Lanes between Manor House & Turnpike Lane for a couple of pints. Sit by the fireplace on the Manor House side of the pub and revel in the Piccadilly Rumble. Do you know how deep the Piccadilly is at that location? Ain't got a clue I'm afraid... -- Cheers, Steve. If The Good Lord had meant for us to be fiscally prudent, He would not have given us the platinum credit card... Change colour to PC Plod's lights to reply. |
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"Richard J." wrote in message
... Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you experience any noise and vibration? Not quite what you asked, but last year I occasionally used to frequent a house in Hunter Street, King's Cross, where the rumbling of passing Piccadilly Line trains could be heard. Only faintly, but it was there. |
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Any student from Queen Mary College from the 80s will possibly recall
the same as myself, that when you were taking exams in the 'Great Hall', that every 2 minutes or so a tube train would rumble underneath - District Line, I would hazard a guess. Put me off the first few times, I can tell you ! Some residents who live above the proposed line of the Crossrail tunnels are concerned about possible noise and vibration in their homes when the trains are running. Is there anyone on utl who lives or works directly above an existing tube (not sub-surface) tunnel? If so, do you experience any noise and vibration? Similarly, have you had any cracks and subsidence? There was a report in March 2002 that the land above the line of the JLE had sunk by the odd centimetre. |
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