http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16091997

Interestingly, the BBC article gives the impression that all bendy
buses are being replaced by the Borismaster.

"...But Transport for All, which speaks for older and disabled
transport users, said TfL was "nuts" to scrap the vehicles, especially
as their new Routemaster-style replacements had only "a tiny
wheelchair space..."

The fact that none of the bendy bus routes are being replaced by the
Borismaster seems to have escaped the BBC. But then we all know that
the BBC are always accurate in their reporting, don't we?

The article goes on to mention the conflict between wheelchair users
and buggy users who will not fold a buggy and/or move to make space
for a wheelchair user. This is a problem whatever type of bus you
use, and there is no easy answer.

The article goes on to mention the conflict between wheelchair users
and buggy users who will not fold a buggy

Are there still buggies which fold? The ones I have to try to get past
on buses seem to be as foldable as a Landrover - and build to handle the
same range of terrains.
--
Robin
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"Robin" wrote:
The article goes on to mention the conflict between wheelchair users
and buggy users who will not fold a buggy

Are there still buggies which fold? The ones I have to try to get past on
buses seem to be as foldable as a Landrover - and build to handle the same
range of terrains.

Yes, they're still around - they're great, kick the child out of the buggy,
kick the buggy and voila, you're good to go. What needs to happen is for
them to become all the rage - perhaps it could begin as a kind of
retro-trend.

On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:36:03 -0800 (PST)
Paul wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16091997

Interestingly, the BBC article gives the impression that all bendy
buses are being replaced by the Borismaster.

"...But Transport for All, which speaks for older and disabled
transport users, said TfL was "nuts" to scrap the vehicles, especially
as their new Routemaster-style replacements had only "a tiny

TfL didn't have a choice in the matter, they do what Berty "Boris" Wooster
tells them. Dumping these buses is one of the worst examples of political
dogma over common sense I've seen in recent years. As for Boris's fatuous
reason of fare dodging - isn't he putting conductors in his new buses for
exactly the same reason? Why couldn't he have put them in the bendy buses?

B2003

On Dec 9, 11:53*am, wrote:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:36:03 -0800 (PST)

Paul wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16091997

Interestingly, the BBC article gives the impression that all bendy
buses are being replaced by the Borismaster.

"...But Transport for All, which speaks for older and disabled
transport users, said TfL was "nuts" to scrap the vehicles, especially
as their new Routemaster-style replacements had only "a tiny

TfL didn't have a choice in the matter, they do what Berty "Boris" Wooster
tells them. Dumping these buses is one of the worst examples of political
dogma over common sense I've seen in recent years. As for Boris's fatuous
reason of fare dodging - isn't he putting conductors in his new buses for
exactly the same reason? Why couldn't he have put them in the bendy buses?

B2003

Getting these unsuitable buses in the first place was the worst
example of political dogma over common sense that I've ever seen.

I mean FOUR bendy bus routes converging on Victoria, wasn't going to
cause problems was it??

The fare dodging issue is anything but fatuous!

On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:38:15 -0800 (PST)
George wrote:
Getting these unsuitable buses in the first place was the worst
example of political dogma over common sense that I've ever seen.

There was nothing unsuitable about them. I've seen loads of them at victoria -
what was the problem? People wibble on about london being special - there is
nothing special about london. Its streets are no narrower or more curvy than
a lot of european cities. Anyone who thinks bendybuses have a hard time here
should see them navigate their way around the centre of Metz in France!

The fare dodging issue is anything but fatuous!

Funny how everywhere else in europe copes.

B2003

In message , at 09:48:29 on Wed, 21 Dec
2011, d remarked:

The fare dodging issue is anything but fatuous!

Funny how everywhere else in europe copes.

It's easy to cope when the culture is different. Reminds me of a USA TV
show at the time of the London Riots which showed footage of looters
queuing up outside a small electrical store to relieve it of its stock.
The Americans were incredulous that they'd queue, rather than fight with
each other to get in first for the best stuff.

We are well known for queuing in the UK, but not so well known for
paying fares if we think we can avoid it. The usual excuse being "if
they can't be bothered to collect the money in a watertight fashion..."
--
Roland Perry

We are well known for queuing in the UK

But wrongly in the bits of London I inhabit where the "bus queue" of my
childhood has become the "I'm getting on the bus now, I'm entitled"
ruck. And as for "let them off first" on the tube..........
--
Robin
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On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:48:29AM +0000, d wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:38:15 -0800 (PST)
George wrote:
Getting these unsuitable buses in the first place was the worst
example of political dogma over common sense that I've ever seen.
There was nothing unsuitable about them. I've seen loads of them at victoria

Yes, queueing outside the bus station!

what was the problem? People wibble on about london being special - there is
nothing special about london. Its streets are no narrower or more curvy than
a lot of european cities. Anyone who thinks bendybuses have a hard time here
should see them navigate their way around the centre of Metz in France!

Metz is a small town, you can't sensibly compare it to London.

--
David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactionary pig

All praise the Sun God
For He is a Fun God
Ra Ra Ra!

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:17:15 +0000
David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 09:48:29AM +0000, d wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:38:15 -0800 (PST)
George wrote:
Getting these unsuitable buses in the first place was the worst
example of political dogma over common sense that I've ever seen.
There was nothing unsuitable about them. I've seen loads of them at victoria

Yes, queueing outside the bus station!

You mean unlike all the double deckers that queue too?

what was the problem? People wibble on about london being special - there is
nothing special about london. Its streets are no narrower or more curvy than
a lot of european cities. Anyone who thinks bendybuses have a hard time here
should see them navigate their way around the centre of Metz in France!

Metz is a small town, you can't sensibly compare it to London.

Of course you can , its the size of the streets that matter , not the size
of the town.

FYI I saw bendy buses navigating this street with little problem:

http://g.co/maps/spjnn

If they can manage to get around the old part of Metz there's no problem
with them getting around London. The only issue they had was that certain
vested interest groups + Boris decided they didn't like them from the get go
for whatever political reasons. No one ever bothered to asked the people that
actually mattered - ie the passengers.

B2003