On Jan 2, 10:40*pm, Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 02.01.2012 13:26, schrieb Graeme Wall:

You don't even know the history of your own country yet you presume to
lecture others on their history.

* *I guess you learned history from the Ministry of Truth.

* *George Orwell knew very well what he wrote. About his countrymen....

Whom he then denounced to the secret police.

ian

Am 02.01.2012 20:46, schrieb Wolfgang Schwanke:

regurgitating the official party line, fantasising about me

telling an orthodox East German party line version, or a
caricature of it. He does know that much.

The problem for you and all other apologists for the dictatorship of
the tiny propertied minority is that I actually do report the facts
instead of a ideological spin of comfortable lies.

if you would care about facts, you would also find that the GDR
officials and their stalinist heirs also do not tell the historical facts.

I recommend a book from the socialdemocratic publishing house
"Einheit oder Freiheit" (don't have the author in mind right now) -- an
apology for the activity of K. Schumacher in dividing the SPD and the
country as a whole, but written too early to deny all facts.


Cheers,
L.W.

"Lüko Willms" wrote in message

Am 02.01.2012 18:37, schrieb :
France's SNCF is state-owned, though I heard an official once say
that they have not received any since the early 1980s. Of course, I
have no way of knowing if that is true or not.

SNCF proudly announced that they pay 223 million Euros (or so)
dividents to their shareholder.

The German federal government decided that they want a 500 million
Euro dividend from the shares they hold of Deutsche Bahn AG.

If it was a real commercial company, the shareholders wouldn't get to
choose the dividend level. Only when the government level of
shareholding falls below 30% can it be regarded as anything other than a
nationalised company.

On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:54:37 +0100, Lüko Willms
wrote:

Am 02.01.2012 11:46, schrieb ian batten:

dreaming up some insults:

He
thinks that Hungary 1956 and Czechoslovakia 1968 were justified
reactions to western imperialism. That's why he isn't busy denying
Stalin killed anyone and if he did they they deserved it anyway.

You should be jailed for such lies.

For what criminal offence ?

Am 02.01.2012 20:14, schrieb The Real Doctor:
On 02/01/12 13:40, wrote:
But the train drivers themselves were East German, as I understood. DR
also made sure that the drivers had families in the east, just in case
they started thinking staying in the west.

Surely the superior employment conditions were more than enough to keep
them in the east without all this business of family hostages,
minefields, machine guns and so on?

And that is what Herr Schnell wants to destroy.

And you are trying to evade to understand what Herr Schnell is
proposing to destroy "the last socialistic company", as he wrote in his
own words, by telling stories of shooting workers and all the rubbish
from your garbage can of propaganda. No, Herr Schnell does not want to
shoot all railway workers in Berlin. He only wants to humiliate them
enough so that they lose everything and are helpless objects of the
capitalist whip. Making a profitable company for DB AG or what ever
other capitalist.

You avoid at all cost to consider the facts. Instead you vomit this
old age garbage propaganda out.

Facts, facts, facts. That's the only thing which counts.

You don't want to know the facts about the real Berlin railway
workers, only the artificial figures from your propaganda.

You are really a poor figure.


L.W.

Am 02.01.2012 23:44, schrieb ian batten:
On Jan 2, 10:40 pm, Lüko wrote:
Am 02.01.2012 13:26, schrieb Graeme Wall:

You don't even know the history of your own country yet you presume to
lecture others on their history.

I guess you learned history from the Ministry of Truth.

George Orwell knew very well what he wrote. About his countrymen...

Whom he then denounced to the secret police.

Ah, now you pick up the stalinist slander against Orwell!

You do not shy away from sinking ever deeper in the gutter.

Why don't you try to wake up and try to have a look at the situation
and history of the Berlin railway workers? Are those facts so scary for
you, that you have to blind yourself by throwing garbage around you?


L.W.

Am 02.01.2012 13:37, schrieb Neil Williams:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:24:50 +0100, Lüko
wrote:
Same issue as with the wheel crises of DB's ICE trains.

That was silly of DB, as BR had already considered, tested and rejected
composite wheels for HST and APT.

Are we talking about the ICE-1 or the ICE-3?

In the latter, DB took very few decisions, as far as I know.


L.W.

Am 02.01.2012 23:50, schrieb Recliner:
Only when the government level of
shareholding falls below 30% can it be regarded as anything other than a
nationalised company.

Whatever you may want to make up.

But reality doesn't care about your laughing stock schemata.

Do you also care about the color of the skin of the shareholdes,
their religion, their sexual orientation, their preferred sports?


L.W.

On 02/01/12 23:50, Lüko Willms wrote:
No, Herr Schnell does not want to shoot all railway workers in Berlin.

You misunderstand me. It was your chums in the DDR politbüro who were
prepared to shoot working class people who wanted to move to the west.
As you say, current politicians are nowhere near as bad.

Ian

On 02/01/12 23:19, Charles Ellson wrote:
For what criminal offence ?

I believe that both Holocaust denial and exoneration of Hitler are
criminal offences in Germany.

Ian