On 03/01/2012 10:23, wrote:
Graham Nye disait le 01/03/12 que :

On 03/01/2012 00:19, Lüko Willms wrote:

Please elaborate on the subject of discussion instead of constantly
trying to turn the attention of your public away from it by makeing loud
noises about off-topic issues?

A tip: when you're engaged in a ****ing contest about German political
systems in two UK newsgroups you're in no position to complain about
someone else being off-topic.

What the **** does a discussion about Berlin S-Bahn in 2 uk newgroups ?

The S-Bahn part is at least rail-related. Perhaps one day I'll get to
try it out (via Brussels and Cologne, of course).

But when Herr Willms is reduced to propping up his (failing, IMO) argument
by complaining that someone else is off-topic he has, as it were, crossed
the line.


(Unannounced followup-to overridden.)

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Graham Nye
news(a)thenyes.org.uk

Graham Nye disait le 01/03/12 que :


The S-Bahn part is at least rail-related. Perhaps one day I'll get to
try it out (via Brussels and Cologne, of course).

But niot related to UK, and cross-hierarchy crossposting is a pain in
the ass, so please, do not put uk* back when I remove them in fu2.


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Le travail n'est pas une bonne chose. Si ça l'était,
les riches l'auraient accaparé

Am 03.01.2012 10:47, schrieb The Real Doctor:
Says the man who has repeatedly claimed that I am a Hitler apologist.

if you were German, you would be.

you show again that you are a shamless liar and slanderer.

Am 03.01.2012 10:49, schrieb Graeme Wall:
I thought Lüko was just defining his personal approach to discussions.

which is: sticking to the facts.

But people like you do not want to be bothered by facts. So you start
deviating from the topic, lying and slandering and insulting.

Am 03.01.2012 01:46, schrieb The Real Doctor:
That is why I am equally happy to condemn British imperialism in India,
French imperialism in Indo-china, Soviet imperialism in central Europe
and Spanish/Argentinian imperialism in the South Atlantic.

tongue in cheek.

Am 03.01.2012 02:19, schrieb Ross:
Why do you resort to accusing people with whom you disagree of "making
things up", Lüko, and why do you_always_ launch personal attacks on
them?

isn't it ridiculous to claim that the nature of a company stops being
a "real commercial company" when the composition of her shareholders
changes?


L.W.

Am 03.01.2012 10:43, schrieb Neil Williams:
Have you ever looked up "nationalised" in a dictionary?

Tell me more about your ideas how trading shares at the stock
exchange changes the nature of a company, switching it from "real
commercial" to the opposite.


L.W.

Am 03.01.2012 08:27, schrieb Oliver Schnell:
There is no problem in privatisation.

Amen.

Am 03.01.2012 01:41, schrieb The Real Doctor:
What has that to do with the current situation of the Berlin railway
workers?

I don't know.

At last, you admit that you do not have a clue about what we are
talking about, and that all your deviations were just to try to avoid
addressing the actual facts.

You're the one who seems to think that the DB workforce in
Berlin should be happy with DDR standards of living and freedom.

I do not judge about what people _should_ or should not be happy
with. YOU do, as does Herr Schnell.

I just pointed out the fact that Herr Schnell is upset about the
Berlin railway workers still enjoying labor standards which they had
acquired during GDR times. It is him who called the S-Bahn Berlin GmbH
the "last socialistic company" in Germany.

When I pointed to what Herr Schnell is saying, you were going
ballistic with all your Cold War propaganda pieces in the style of the
"Five Minute Hate" of George Orwell's "1984"

So, here we finally are, after all your slanders and insults, that
you do admit that you do not know what relationship all your utterances
have with the subject under discussion.

Why didn't you say that right away, or just remain silent?


L.W.

"Lüko Willms" wrote in message

Am 03.01.2012 02:19, schrieb Ross:
Why do you resort to accusing people with whom you disagree of
"making things up", Lüko, and why do you_always_ launch personal
attacks on them?

isn't it ridiculous to claim that the nature of a company stops
being a "real commercial company" when the composition of her
shareholders changes?

Not at all. If a company is dominated by one single shareholder, and
that shareholder has other interests, then you have a potential conflict
of interest. It's why monopolies are restricted in the EU and other free
capitalist countries. In Britain, the Competition Commission has to
approve takeovers if there would be a restriction of competition, and if
a single shareholder (or connected group) wish to acquire 30% or more of
a public company, they must make an offer for the whole company, as it
would otherwise disadvantage unconnected shareholders (and may be
blocked if there would be an unacceptable loss of competition).

Of course, socialist countries used to believe in state monopolies as a
matter of principle. I'm not sure if many truly socialist countries
still remain, however. Certainly, countries like China and Vietnam are
no longer socialist, though Cuba and North Korea perhaps still are. Is
it their system that you advocate? Do you think workers' rights are
better protected in North than in South Korea?