On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:52:51 +0100 [UTC], Lüko Willms wrote:

[...]
In reality, if BT was not forced to operate as a profit oriented
commercial company, maintaining its position as the the British telecoms
operator, it would have lowered the prices according to the
technological advances.

Believe me, Lüko, it did nothing of the sort.
--
Ross

Speaking for me, myself and I. Nobody else
- unless I make it clear that I am...

On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 11:02:28 +0100 [UTC], Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 03.01.2012 22:39, schrieb Ross:

isn't it ridiculous to claim that the nature of a company stops being
a "real commercial company" when the composition of her shareholders
changes?
That's not an answer to the question, Lüko, and you know it.

Why do you resort to making personal attacks on people with whom you
disagree?

What do you tell somebody who claims, stamping his feet in the
ground, that the earth is flat and that the sun rotates around the earth?

Since there is nobody here making such claims, Lüko, that question is
neither rhetorical nor of any value.

I note that you refuse to either explain or justify your behaviour
whilst demanding that everyone who disagrees with you justifies
theirs. That says a lot about you; none of it flattering.
--
Ross

Speaking for me, myself and I. Nobody else
- unless I make it clear that I am...

[chomp]

Rhetorical question: Why is it that any statement with which you
disagree is a "lie" and anybody who makes such a statement is a
"habitual liar"?

Don't bother answering. We all know you'll just squirm and post some
self-justifying codswallop which makes no sense whatsoever.
--
Ross

Speaking for me, myself and I. Nobody else
- unless I make it clear that I am...

On Jan 2, 12:34*am, Hans-Joachim Zierke
wrote:

http://www.grammer.com/fileadmin/use.../images/produk...

Actually, having seen that PDF on a larger screen, that's a lower-
backed version of the "tombstone" seats used on First Great Western I
was referring to. They are so called because of the shape of the
(very high) seat back.

http://www.grammer.com/fileadmin/use...tenblatt_D.pdf

Neil

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:12:40 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 12:14:27 on
Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Lüko Willms remarked:
Most of the fall in costs has been due to competition, and facilitated
by new technology. Where there's no competition, the new technology is
still expensive.

Nonsense.

I refer the Hon Gent to remarks made about international roaming charges
(as just one example).

The word "cartel" very likely features. Voodoofone's lawyers about to
mention "reputation" are referred to current matters involving the tax
man.

On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:35:07 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 04/01/2012 11:52, Lüko Willms wrote:
In reality, if BT was not forced to operate as a profit oriented
commercial company, maintaining its position as the the British telecoms
operator, it would have lowered the prices according to the
technological advances. Deutsche Bundespost did in its times.

In reality it didn't, quite the contrary.

Some of BT's improvements have involved offloading many non-core
activities; once the line reaches your building you are very much on
your own now. Mercury was also mentioned but unlike BT they had
nothing in the way of a universal service obligation and served a very
small market. WRT cheapo international call providers, their quality
often displays how they achieve the low prices; at least with BT all
the callers' sentences tended to arrive intact.

On 04/01/2012 10:02, Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 03.01.2012 22:42, schrieb Arthur Figgis:
Do you also care about the color of the skin of the shareholdes, their
religion, their sexual orientation, their preferred sports?

The religious views of a shareholder in one UK-based transport group
attracted some public interest in the not too distant past.

Tell me more. I don't anything about this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/602714.stm

Obviously this doesn't directly affect the train and bus services (he
isn't going to get the conditions of carriage amended to adopt the same
rules as the University of Woolamaloo), but the views are widely
associated with him.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 04/01/2012 10:11, Lüko Willms wrote:
A follow up to my previous reply to

Am 03.01.2012 14:34, schrieb Recliner:

Who appoints the directors and senior managers in DB, and sets the
objectives, etc? Presuming it's the government, it's the government
that controls the company.

Up to 1993, both Deutsche Bundesbahn and Deutsche Reichsbahn were
actually _administrations,_ part of the state apparatus. Important posts
were civil servants, even the engineers.

Which is a difference between Germany and Britain - we just go by who
owns it (to the extent the issue ever arises, do Germans consider
pre-privatisation (IYSWIM!) British Rail to have been private?)


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 04/01/2012 10:05, Lüko Willms wrote:
Am 03.01.2012 22:47, schrieb Arthur Figgis:
Tell me more about your ideas how trading shares at the stock exchange
changes the nature of a company, switching it from "real commercial" to
the opposite.

If 100% of the shares are owned by the state, how does trading happen?

Normally by selling and buying. How else?

Mostly on the stock exchange, which is made for that. Maybe also
bypassing the stock exchange, but then mostly in big chunks.

Who is actually doing the buying? Is the state trading shares to and
from itself in some kind of zero-sum game?


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 2012-01-04, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 04/01/2012 10:02, L?ko Willms wrote:
Am 03.01.2012 22:42, schrieb Arthur Figgis:
Do you also care about the color of the skin of the shareholdes, their
religion, their sexual orientation, their preferred sports?

The religious views of a shareholder in one UK-based transport group
attracted some public interest in the not too distant past.

Tell me more. I don't anything about this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/602714.stm

Obviously this doesn't directly affect the train and bus services (he
isn't going to get the conditions of carriage amended to adopt the same
rules as the University of Woolamaloo), but the views are widely
associated with him.


Wooloomooloo.

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