Am 05.01.2012 14:11, schrieb The Real Doctor:
Still not answering the questions, eh?

This is uk.railway and the subject is the "Shutdown of Berlin Train
System".

I cannot not see any relationship of your libel to the topic.

Am 04.01.2012 13:35, schrieb Recliner:

So the fact that DB has a single shareholder doesn't make it a monopoly;

correct.

Your original statement was maybe meant that way, but your
formulation misleading. OK?

Now please will you answer my question about workers rights in the two
Koreas?

We are in uk.railway, and the subject of this thread is the Berlin
Train System. Do you really think that your efforts to lead the exchange
of view off topic is really helpful?

As you wrote:

As certain other posters in this newsgroup should
have realised by now, habitual rudeness diminishes
the people who deliver the insults,*not* the people they insult.

I find your person quite diminished by this.

Am 04.01.2012 14:26, schrieb Graham Nye:

I note that you've asserted your view that having a state government take
over 100% of the ownership of a company doesn't change the nature of that
company.

Sure. So what?

Somebody even claimed that one share changing hands could change the
nature of a company. Isn't that really ridiculous?

I've further noted you wriggling out of all attempts to engage
you in substantive discussion of that view.

No, why? Discuss this in relationship to the issue under discussion.
We are in uk.railway, aren't we? And the subject is the "Berlin Train
System".

What are you up to?

Am 04.01.2012 14:26, schrieb Graham Nye:
On 04/01/2012 10:01, Lüko Willms wrote:
Under capitalist rule, you will find that most state owned
enterprises are actually operated with the objective to make profit.
I haven't found that.

Then open your eyes.


Cheers,
L.W.

Am 04.01.2012 12:57, schrieb Neil Williams:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 11:01:14 +0100, Lüko
wrote:
That is what makes a distinction, not the shareholder.

No. Both do.

In terms of holding, a company can be private (of which government-owned
or nationalised is one type) or public.

The economic and legal reality is much more varied than what your
limited wisdom can imagine, Horatio.

What a company's motivation is, while usually primarily profit, can vary
hugely based on shareholders' wishes.

Or of the class which holds state power.


Cheers,
L.W.

Am 04.01.2012 21:24, schrieb The Real Doctor:
On 04/01/12 10:02, Lüko Willms wrote:
What do you tell somebody who claims, stamping his feet in the ground,
that the earth is flat and that the sun rotates around the earth?

How can the sun rotate around the earth if the earth is flat?

Ask the flat earthers, not me.


L.W.

Am 04.01.2012 21:25, schrieb The Real Doctor:
On 04/01/12 12:00, Lüko Willms wrote:
Sure, but not about his religious beliefs, which is something I do
normally not care about, being a private affair.

He funds anti-gay campaigns in Scotland.

Does he fire any gay person from the Scotrail operations he manages?



Cheers,
L.W.

Am 04.01.2012 20:11, schrieb Arthur Figgis:
Tell me more. I don't anything about this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/602714.stm

Obviously this doesn't directly affect the train and bus services (he
isn't going to get the conditions of carriage amended to adopt the same
rules as the University of Woolamaloo), but the views are widely
associated with him.

Thanks to all who provided information on this issue.


Cheers,
L.W.

Am 04.01.2012 20:17, schrieb Arthur Figgis:
Up to 1993, both Deutsche Bundesbahn and Deutsche Reichsbahn were
actually _administrations,_ part of the state apparatus. Important posts
were civil servants, even the engineers.

Which is a difference between Germany and Britain - we just go by who
owns it

I think you give too much attention to formalities.
And to this greedy view that everything which might be used to make a
profit must be completely controlled uniquely by a private profit motive.

(to the extent the issue ever arises, do Germans consider
pre-privatisation (IYSWIM!) British Rail to have been private?)

I do not deal in labels.

I might just say that I think that the current British railways are
much more government controlled than the ones in Germany.



Cheers,
L.W.

Am 04.01.2012 20:19, schrieb Arthur Figgis:
If 100% of the shares are owned by the state, how does trading happen?

Normally by selling and buying. How else?

Mostly on the stock exchange, which is made for that. Maybe also
bypassing the stock exchange, but then mostly in big chunks.

Who is actually doing the buying?

Anybody who is willing to pay the price offered by the seller. If the
seller actually wants to sell...

It is really a mystery to me why you keep making such a big fuss
about this.


Cheers
L.W.