"Boltar" wrote in message
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"Dave Liney" wrote in message
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Distance by foot to alternative tube stations from Aldwych:

700m Holborn

700m is quite a long walk when you're tired, its freezing cold and/or
****ing
down with rain. I suggest you try it sometime.

Actually I walk 2140m each way from my house to the local railway station
most work days so I am well aware of how short a distance 700m is. Also I
used to work in Maltravers Street (which is beyond Aldwych station) and walk
to it from Holborn station. Somehow I coped even when it was cold and wet.

235m Temple

That stations a fat lot of use if you want to go north and don't fancy
to change onto 3 lines to do it. Incindetaly I'd love to know where you
got your figures from, I mean are you sure its 235m and not 236 or 234.5?

I used AutoRoute's measure a distance facility by tracing out the route a
pedestrian would take, and rounded to the nearest 5m. Is your argument so
weak that you are quibbling over 50cm?

Hardly a great trek from any of them. I'd worry if most of the users of
the
old Aldwych station can't walk 700 metres twice a day.

Using that logic you might as well close covent garden station, after all
its
only 200m from leicester square. Whats the point of having it eh?

It is on a through line and is heavily used. Not the same as Aldwych at all.

As to your suggestion of closing the ELL or Mill Hill East then you
would
leave people with longer walks to get to an alternative tube stations:

Well since LU appears to be driven by purely financial constraints these
days I'd doubt they'd even care how far people have to travel to an
alternative.

You appear to want transport to within spitting distance of your
destination. In which case try a taxi.

Dave.

"Boltar" wrote in message
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"Dave Liney" wrote in message
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That stations a fat lot of use if you want to go north and don't fancy
to change onto 3 lines to do it.

You had to change at Holborn from the Aldwych shuttle so one change is
already required.

From Temple going westbound you can change on to four northbound lines over
three stops. As well as Thameslink northbound through Kings Cross, Kentish
Town and West Hampstead.

The Metropolitan line requires two changes as does the northbound Piccadily
if you want to be efficient about it (but you don't want to walk to
Holborn). Every other line requires just the one change.

Removing the Aldwych shuttle didn't remove local transport links in the same
way you are suggesting.

Dave.

In message , Ben Nunn
writes
Leicester Sq is overcrowded enough already, and Cov garden relieves pressure
on it significantly. It's utterly inconceivable that it could close under
present conditions.

The extra 500 passengers from Aldwych, OTOH, would've made very little
difference to the crowds at Holborn, Temple etc.

Covent Garden itself is of curse *very* heavily used, hence the closure
for entry on Saturday afternoons. A station at Aldwych would certainly
relieve this and would be very welcome. It's a pity that Aldwych was
at the end of an isolated branch line from Holborn and hence wouldn't
really help.
--
Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK
Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for
London & the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

In message , dan
writes
which makes it a shame that they really are planning to close Wapping
as part of the ELL extension!

Really?! I'd not noticed that. What a pity. (And quite baffling,
too. Is it so little used?)
--
Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK
Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for
London & the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Ian Jelf
), in message
who said:
In message , Ben Nunn
writes
Leicester Sq is overcrowded enough already, and Cov garden relieves
pressure on it significantly. It's utterly inconceivable that it
could close under present conditions.

The extra 500 passengers from Aldwych, OTOH, would've made very
little difference to the crowds at Holborn, Temple etc.

Covent Garden itself is of curse *very* heavily used, hence the
closure
for entry on Saturday afternoons. A station at Aldwych would
certainly relieve this and would be very welcome. It's a pity that
Aldwych was
at the end of an isolated branch line from Holborn and hence wouldn't
really help.


Ironically there are also abandoned Jubilee line tunnels in the area - the
line from Charing X extended as far as Aldwych below ground level.

A radical proposal would be to open a Jubilee Aldwych station (and re-open
Charing X obviously), then turn the Picc station and Holborn shuttle into a
museum.

BTN

Ian Jelf wrote:
In message , dan
writes
which makes it a shame that they really are planning to close Wapping
as part of the ELL extension!

Really?! I'd not noticed that. What a pity. (And quite baffling,
too. Is it so little used?)

The problem is that the platforms are extremely narrow, and there are
concerns about passenger safety, evacuation, etc. if the station becomes
much busier, plus difficulties in expanding it on the current site. If you
put "wapping narrow platforms SRA" into Google, there is a reference to a
House of Commons debate last March. It seems to have disappeared from the
parliament site, but is still in Google's cache.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

"Dave Liney" wrote in message ...
Actually I walk 2140m each way from my house to the local railway station
most work days so I am well aware of how short a distance 700m is. Also I
used to work in Maltravers Street (which is beyond Aldwych station) and walk
to it from Holborn station. Somehow I coped even when it was cold and wet.

You're a hero, have a medal. However not everyone enjoys a long walk, some of
people have better ways of spending their increasingly meagre amount of
personal time before and after the working day. 700m IS a long walk when the
conditions are unpleasant.

I used AutoRoute's measure a distance facility by tracing out the route a
pedestrian would take, and rounded to the nearest 5m. Is your argument so
weak that you are quibbling over 50cm?

No , I was just wondering how you could be accurate down to 1m since if
someone even wandered around an obstacle it would add an extra metre on the
walk.

You appear to want transport to within spitting distance of your
destination. In which case try a taxi.

Err no. I'm merely saying that a station that was used by hundreds of people
each day should not have been closed simply because the lifts would
alledgedly cost too much to replace when 3 BILLION can afford to be spent on
the JLE.

B2003

"Dave Liney" wrote in message ...
"Boltar" wrote in message
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"Dave Liney" wrote in message
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That stations a fat lot of use if you want to go north and don't fancy
to change onto 3 lines to do it.

You had to change at Holborn from the Aldwych shuttle so one change is
already required.

Yes , you had to walk all of 10 metres over to the opposite platform if
you were going north which I suspect most people who used it were.

B2003

"Boltar" wrote in message
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"Dave Liney" wrote in message
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You're a hero, have a medal. However not everyone enjoys a long walk, some
of
people have better ways of spending their increasingly meagre amount of
personal time before and after the working day. 700m IS a long walk when
the
conditions are unpleasant.

It takes less than ten minutes for the average person. Get a sense of
perspective here. I'm no hero I just don't live in north London and expect a
tube station to be within sight at all times.

Err no. I'm merely saying that a station that was used by hundreds of
people
each day should not have been closed simply because the lifts would
alledgedly cost too much to replace when 3 BILLION can afford to be spent
on
the JLE.

I can only assume you used to travel from north London on the Piccadilly
Line and work near Aldwych and are quite bitter about its closing. Because
there is no other explanation to why anyone would compare a part-time
station serving an already well served area of London with the JLE which
gave areas of south-east London a tube service and is used by thousands of
people a day.

Dave.

(Boltar) wrote the following in:
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"Dave Liney" wrote in message
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Distance by foot to alternative tube stations from Aldwych:

700m Holborn

700m is quite a long walk when you're tired, its freezing cold
and/or ****ing down with rain. I suggest you try it sometime.

Then catch one of the many and extremely frequent buses that go from
Holborn to Aldwych.

Hardly a great trek from any of them. I'd worry if most of the
users of the old Aldwych station can't walk 700 metres twice a
day.

Using that logic you might as well close covent garden station,
after all its only 200m from leicester square. Whats the point of
having it eh?

It's much more heavily used and it's not a shuttle service. The shuttle
service to Aldwych would probably be about as quick to change to as a
bus would be.

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