"Dave Liney" wrote the following in:


I can only assume you used to travel from north London on the
Piccadilly Line and work near Aldwych and are quite bitter about
its closing.

Either that or he's never been near Aldwych because the things he's
saying don't seem to have any relevance to the real world travel
situation there.

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Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Boltar ),
in message who said:

That stations a fat lot of use if you want to go north and don't
fancy
to change onto 3 lines to do it.

You had to change at Holborn from the Aldwych shuttle so one change
is
already required.

Yes , you had to walk all of 10 metres over to the opposite platform
if
you were going north which I suspect most people who used it were.


Only because that was the only way you could go from Aldwych - anyone
wanting to travel East or West from the area would've used Temple, and
anyone going south would use Temple and changed somewhere.

Which is why traffic at Aldywch was low - it was only a realistic option for
people coming from one direction.

BTN

In message , Richard J.
writes
The problem is that the platforms are extremely narrow, and there are
concerns about passenger safety, evacuation, etc. if the station becomes
much busier, plus difficulties in expanding it on the current site.
Snip

Thank you.
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Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for
London & the Heart of England
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Boltar wrote:


You're a hero, have a medal. However not everyone enjoys a long walk,
some of
people have better ways of spending their increasingly meagre amount
of
personal time before and after the working day. 700m IS a long walk
when the
conditions are unpleasant.


Ha ha ha haaaaa!!! Come and live in the real world... My nearest PT is over
4 miles away and runs only twice a day!










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"Stimpy" wrote in message ...
Boltar wrote:


You're a hero, have a medal. However not everyone enjoys a long walk,
some of
people have better ways of spending their increasingly meagre amount
of
personal time before and after the working day. 700m IS a long walk
when the
conditions are unpleasant.


Ha ha ha haaaaa!!! Come and live in the real world... My nearest PT is over
4 miles away and runs only twice a day!

Maybe you should consider moving then. Or were you forced to live in your
current house at gunpoint? No , didn't think so.

B2003

"Dave Liney" wrote in message ...
"Boltar" wrote in message
om...
"Dave Liney" wrote in message
...

You're a hero, have a medal. However not everyone enjoys a long walk, some
of
people have better ways of spending their increasingly meagre amount of
personal time before and after the working day. 700m IS a long walk when
the
conditions are unpleasant.

It takes less than ten minutes for the average person. Get a sense of
perspective here. I'm no hero I just don't live in north London and expect a
tube station to be within sight at all times.

People generally choose were they live so if you don't live near a tube
station then its your own fault. However they DON'T generally choose where
they work and since Aldwych is located in a working area theres not much
people can do if they don't like it being closed other than get another job
which is easier said than done these days.

I can only assume you used to travel from north London on the Piccadilly
Line and work near Aldwych and are quite bitter about its closing. Because
there is no other explanation to why anyone would compare a part-time
station serving an already well served area of London with the JLE which
gave areas of south-east London a tube service and is used by thousands of
people a day.

Bermondsey hardly counts as "south east london". Everywhere else apart from
the tumbleweed blown north greenwich was already served either by the ELL,
northern , central or DLR. If the JLE was really to have been a public service
as opposed to one simply serving big business at canary wharf and drawing
a line there it would have continued back cross the river and gone south from
there rather than going to the rather pointless terminus of stratford and just
duplicating the DLR route for 10x the cost.

B2003

In message , Boltar
writes
People generally choose were they live so if you don't live near a tube
station then its your own fault. However they DON'T generally choose where
they work
Well, they do in a way.

Bermondsey hardly counts as "south east london". Everywhere else apart from
the tumbleweed blown north greenwich was already served either by the ELL,
northern , central or DLR.
But not with he same travel patterns. Places like Rotherhithe (Canada
Water) and Bermondsey now have *much* better access to the West End, as
well as to Docklands; and the South Bank around Waterloo and opposite
Westminster, too is now much more accessible. This is a Big Issue
nowadays as the demand for access to these places has taken off like a
rocket, even in the past four or five years.

If the JLE was really to have been a public service
as opposed to one simply serving big business at canary wharf
Well, "serving people who work for big businesses at Canary Wharf" might
be a better way of putting it.

and drawing
a line there it would have continued back cross the river and gone south from
there rather than going to the rather pointless terminus of stratford and just
duplicating the DLR route for 10x the cost.
I was dubious about Stratford as a terminus, too, to begin with. But
Stratford has developed as a major interchange in recent years and all
sorts of journeys, especially from Essex, are now possible without going
into Central London as would have been necessary before.

I'm certainly; in favour of more tub investment and extensions (ELL for
starters and either Chelsea-Hackney or Crossrail or ideally both). But
the JLE is *not* the white elephant it is sometimes painted to be.
--
Ian Jelf, MITG, Birmingham, UK
Registered "Blue Badge" Tourist Guide for
London & the Heart of England
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(Boltar) wrote the following in:
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I can only assume you used to travel from north London on the
Piccadilly Line and work near Aldwych and are quite bitter about
its closing. Because there is no other explanation to why anyone
would compare a part-time station serving an already well served
area of London with the JLE which gave areas of south-east London
a tube service and is used by thousands of people a day.

Bermondsey hardly counts as "south east london". Everywhere else
apart from the tumbleweed blown north greenwich was already served
either by the ELL, northern , central or DLR.

Where Bermondsey is doesn't really matter so you're really just being
pedantic. The point is that it didn't have a tube station, it now does.
As for North Greenwich, it's served by lots of buses and I think it
also has a large car park. So though they don't have a tube station on
their door step, areas of south east London do now have access to the
tube.

The Canada Water area may have been already served by the ELL but
that's not exactly the most useful line is it? Interchange with the
Jubilee means that it's easier for people from lots of different places
to get to places on the ELL and for people on the ELL to get anywhere
else.

Yes, Canary Wharf was already served by the DLR but even with the
Jubilee line the DLR is already completely packed at Canary Wharf.
Without it there just wouldn't be enough capacity to move all the
people who travel there.

You seem to be saying that creating interchange between lines is bad. A
ridiculous thing to say, but then you also seem to be saying that the
JLE is less useful than Aldwych station so I suppose it's to be
expected.

If the JLE was
really to have been a public service as opposed to one simply
serving big business at canary wharf

Ah, so providing transport for the thousands of people with jobs at
Canary Wharf is "serving big business" but providing transport for the
ten people with an office right next to Aldwych station is a sensible
idea?

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Ian Jelf wrote the following in:


I'm certainly; in favour of more tub investment and extensions
(ELL for starters and either Chelsea-Hackney or Crossrail or
ideally both). But the JLE is *not* the white elephant it is
sometimes painted to be.

Indeed. The JLE is certainly not a white elephant and you only have to
travel on it to see so. There are lots of passengers all the way along
the line and it makes travel into London from lots of different places
a great deal easier.

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Robin May wrote in message . 1.4...
You seem to be saying that creating interchange between lines is bad. A
ridiculous thing to say, but then you also seem to be saying that the

Not sure how you came to that conclusion. What I'm saying is that what exactly
was the point of the JLE going from canary wharf - straford when the DLR
already did that? Thats not interchange, thats duplication. The JLE would
have been more useful if it had carried on down the thames or headed back into
greenwich or along to woolwich , plumstead perhaps even via london city airport.
But stratford??!

If the JLE was
really to have been a public service as opposed to one simply
serving big business at canary wharf

Ah, so providing transport for the thousands of people with jobs at
Canary Wharf is "serving big business" but providing transport for the
ten people with an office right next to Aldwych station is a sensible
idea?

Jesus christ , how hard a concept is this to grasp? For a start its a damn
site more than just a few people who work down in that area, you been there
recently. Secondly the station already existed , it didn't have to be built
for a few hundred million quid, it just needed a few hundred thousand for
a new lift. Get it? No? Never mind.

B2003