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Robin May wrote in message
. 1.4...
You seem to be saying that creating interchange between lines is
bad. A ridiculous thing to say, but then you also seem to be
saying that the

Not sure how you came to that conclusion. What I'm saying is that
what exactly was the point of the JLE going from canary wharf -
straford when the DLR already did that?

Increased capacity and easier interchange for people arriving at
Stratford who don't want to go to Canary Wharf or a destination on the
Central line. That includes people arriving on National Rail from Essex
and the NLL, people arriving from the eastern sections of the Central
line and people arriving by bus. Wherever they're coming from, they
certainly exist, a fact made obvious by the large numbers of Jubilee
line passengers at Stratford. You been there recently?

Thats not interchange,
thats duplication. The JLE would have been more useful if it had
carried on down the thames or headed back into greenwich or along
to woolwich , plumstead perhaps even via london city airport. But
stratford??!

Surely going to Greenwich, Woolwich or London City Airport would be
worse than the duplication you're complaining about at Stratford.
Greenwich already has National Rail and DLR. Woolwich and the whole
Royal Docks area has the DLR and NLL, and there's a London City Airport
bus link from Canning Town station on the Jubilee.

If the JLE was
really to have been a public service as opposed to one simply
serving big business at canary wharf

Ah, so providing transport for the thousands of people with jobs
at Canary Wharf is "serving big business" but providing transport
for the ten people with an office right next to Aldwych station
is a sensible idea?

Jesus christ , how hard a concept is this to grasp? For a start
its a damn site more than just a few people who work down in that
area, you been there recently.

As I've already said, yes I go there regularly and I am aware of how
many people work there. But for almost all of them I'm pretty sure it's
as convenient to catch a bus from Holborn or walk from Temple as it
would have been to use Aldwych station. They could even catch a bus
from Waterloo if they wanted! Admittedly it may be marginally less
convenient for a few hundred people (at most) but the difference would
have been so slight that the cost of keeping the station open and
replacing the lifts really wouldn't be worth it.

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What I'm saying is that what exactly was the point of the JLE going
from canary wharf - straford when the DLR already did that? Thats not
interchange, thats duplication.

Passenger flows at Stratford are now way in excess of anything the DLR
could carry. Large numbers of workers at Canary Wharf live around the
Hainault loop and change from Central to Jubilee at Stratford - and
equally large numbers from Essex change from NR to Jubilee at Stratford.
The demographics of the area have changed enormously in the last decade
and the Jubilee route sought (quite successfully IMO) to meet those
changes.

--
Paul Terry

Robin May wrote in message . 1.4...
Greenwich already has National Rail and DLR. Woolwich and the whole
Royal Docks area has the DLR and NLL, and there's a London City Airport

The NLL is about as reliable as snow on xmas day and the DLR is on the wrong
side of the docks at the moment. City Airport would have been an obvious choice
if only for the large numbers of business commuters who go straight to
canary wharf from it. I genuinely don't understand why they didn't make the
JLE go there but are sending the toy train there as an afterthought.

bus link from Canning Town station on the Jubilee.

Oh superb. Using the same logic why is anyone bothering with a T5 extension
to the piccadilly line, just let the buggers get a bus to T123 and be grateful.

B2003

Boltar wrote:
Robin May wrote...
You seem to be saying that creating interchange between lines is bad. A
ridiculous thing to say, but then you also seem to be saying that the

Not sure how you came to that conclusion. What I'm saying is that what exactly
was the point of the JLE going from canary wharf - straford when the DLR
already did that?

However the DLR Stratford branch doesn't have a proper interchange with
the District Line.

Thats not interchange, thats duplication.

Have you been on the DLR Stratford branch lately? It does get very
crowded even with the Jubilee parallelling it!

The JLE would have been more useful if it had carried on down the thames
or headed back into greenwich or along to woolwich , plumstead perhaps
even via london city airport.

They built a step plate junction at North Greenwich so it can do just
that. However, IMO they built it on the wrong side of the station!!!
I think the best possible extension for the Jubilee would be down the
peninsula to Charlton (which most of those who currently use NG would
find more convenient) and then on to Eltham with an elongated station
(travelators instead of escalators at both ends) serving both the
station and the High Street.

But stratford??!

Well worth serving, though maybe not such a good terminus - it would be
nice to see it extended up the Lea valley.

If the JLE was really to have been a public service as opposed to one
simply serving big business at canary wharf

Ah, so providing transport for the thousands of people with jobs at
Canary Wharf is "serving big business" but providing transport for the
ten people with an office right next to Aldwych station is a sensible
idea?

For a start its a damn site more than just a few people who work
down in that area, you been there recently.

Obviously "ten" is an exaggeration, but not as much as you might think.
Although thousands work in the area, there are very few to whom the
Aldwych branch is much more convenient than any alternative.

Secondly the station already existed , it didn't have to be built
for a few hundred million quid, it just needed a few hundred thousand for
a new lift.

Plus a few hundred thousand for staff, plus the cost electricity, plus
the cost of maintaining the trains...

The cost per passenger is hard to justify when it does nothing that the
buses do not.

Get it? No? Never mind.

LT's real mistake was half a century ago, when there were two
Holborn-Aldwych lines (one on top of the other) - they decided to close
the wrong one! Fortunately they've moved on a bit since then, and
Holborn-Aldwych trams are planned to return in a few years. Meanwhile
there are plenty of buses.

Is this the same tunnel that had all of the road signs in it? The one that
was going to be remodelled at the Strand/Aldywch end?

Brad


Coincidently I was floating around on a travel card today looking at
some of the architecture on the tube
Aldwych station was open to the public today with an art exhibition.
The station is rather nice but nothing compared to the escalators at
southgate IMHO

Beautiful bronze paneling and 1930s art deco uplighters

HTH phil

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Aldwych station was open to the public today with an art
exhibition. The station is rather nice but nothing compared to the
escalators at southgate IMHO

Do you know any more about this? How long will it be open for? Will it
be open tomorrow?

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In article ,
(Robin May) wrote:

Aldwych station was open to the public today with an art
exhibition.
Do you know any more about this? How long will it be open for? Will it
be open tomorrow?

Couldn't find anything about it, but if you're a fan of the music of
youth, try this:
http://www.visitlondon.com/whats_on/...event?id=10737

(Phil) wrote in message om...

Is this the same tunnel that had all of the road signs in it? The one that
was going to be remodelled at the Strand/Aldywch end?

Brad


Coincidently I was floating around on a travel card today looking at
some of the architecture on the tube
Aldwych station was open to the public today with an art exhibition.
The station is rather nice but nothing compared to the escalators at
southgate IMHO

Beautiful bronze paneling and 1930s art deco uplighters

HTH phil

Ohhhhhhhh, I wish I had known about this!

*cries*

Brad

From: (TheOneKEA)
Date: 31/01/2004 21:45 GMT Standard Time

The station is rather nice but nothing compared to the escalators at
southgate IMHO

Beautiful bronze paneling and 1930s art deco uplighters

HTH phil

Ohhhhhhhh, I wish I had known about this!

*cries*

Brad

Southgate has been open since 19/09/1932, how come you hadn't heard about the
escalators before now?

are (Acrosticus) wrote in message ...
From: (TheOneKEA)
Date: 31/01/2004 21:45 GMT Standard Time

The station is rather nice but nothing compared to the escalators at
southgate IMHO

Beautiful bronze paneling and 1930s art deco uplighters

HTH phil

Ohhhhhhhh, I wish I had known about this!

*cries*

Brad

Southgate has been open since 19/09/1932, how come you hadn't heard about the
escalators before now?

No! Now that I do know about it I am most definitely going there!

Brad