"juvenal" wrote in message
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Perhaps one might open up Aldwych Station as a
special undeground shopping mall or similar service,
with a dedicated rejeuvanated Underground shuttle
from Holborn.

Aldwych was closed because the lift was life expired, and the passenger
numbers couldn't justify its replacement. It will never see another
passenger train, unless a huge development occurs around Aldwych which can
fund the lift replacement.

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"John Rowland" wrote in message ...
"juvenal" wrote in message
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Perhaps one might open up Aldwych Station as a
special undeground shopping mall or similar service,
with a dedicated rejeuvanated Underground shuttle
from Holborn.

Aldwych was closed because the lift was life expired, and the passenger
numbers couldn't justify its replacement. It will never see another
passenger train, unless a huge development occurs around Aldwych which can
fund the lift replacement.

No doubt the people who made that decision forgot that the underground is
a public service, not a for profit company. For somewhere like Ongar that
only had 3 people and a dog use the station each day I can understand closure
but aldwych had something like 500 people a day using it. Not a huge amount
but IMO enough to justify its being kept open given that there are probably
quite a few stations still open that probably get less usage that that.
The whole of the ELL springs to mind for starters plus Mill Hill East on the
northern line. But I guess in this country the bean counters rule.

B2003

"Boltar" wrote in message
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"John Rowland" wrote in message
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Aldwych was closed because the lift was life expired, and the passenger
numbers couldn't justify its replacement. It will never see another
passenger train, unless a huge development occurs around Aldwych which
can
fund the lift replacement.

No doubt the people who made that decision forgot that the underground is
a public service, not a for profit company

And as with any public service choices have to be made as to where to spend
a limited budget. It is not realistic (and it wasn't so even in the
'good-old-days') that there is a bottomless pit of money to be spent on
public transport.

Considering how close Aldwych is to other tube stations and the good bus
links it has there is little loss to those getting to the area to the
closure.

But I guess in this country the bean counters rule.

They always have. Don't forget that most of the London Underground network
(as well as mainline services) were built using private money with the idea
of making a profit. The Aldwych - Holborn link wasn't built as a social
service.

Dave.

In message , Dave Liney
writes
Considering how close Aldwych is to other tube stations and the good bus
links it has there is little loss to those getting to the area to the
closure.
The concept of a tube station at Aldwych is actually a good one.
However, having it on an isolated shuttle to and from Holborn only was
what really limited its usefulness.

Had the Jubilee Line been built as originally planned and had a station
there between Charing Cross and Ludgate Circus (?), it might have been a
different matter.
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"Dave Liney" wrote in message ...
Considering how close Aldwych is to other tube stations and the good bus
links it has there is little loss to those getting to the area to the
closure.

Thats an argument used a lot but in reality its not so simple. The nearest
alternative tube is the district line which is east-west , not north like
the aldwych branch. And using the busses on the kingsway in the rush hour is
a joke , its quicker to walk which I suspect is what the people who would
otherwise have travelled to aldwych have to end up doing. Seems to me thats
rather a retrograde step.

B2003

"Boltar" wrote in message
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"Dave Liney" wrote in message
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Considering how close Aldwych is to other tube stations and the good bus
links it has there is little loss to those getting to the area to the
closure.

Thats an argument used a lot but in reality its not so simple. The nearest
alternative tube is the district line which is east-west , not north like
the aldwych branch. And using the busses on the kingsway in the rush hour
is
a joke , its quicker to walk which I suspect is what the people who would
otherwise have travelled to aldwych have to end up doing. Seems to me
thats
rather a retrograde step.

B2003

Distance by foot to alternative tube stations from Aldwych:

700m Holborn
235m Temple
835m Charing Cross
750m Covent Garden

Hardly a great trek from any of them. I'd worry if most of the users of the
old Aldwych station can't walk 700 metres twice a day.

As to your suggestion of closing the ELL or Mill Hill East then you would
leave people with longer walks to get to an alternative tube stations:

By foot from Wapping (to pick an EEL station):

1025m Shadwell DLR
2030m Tower Hill

By foot from Mill Hill East

1525m Finchley Central
2045m West Finchley

Dave.

"Dave Liney" wrote in message ...

Distance by foot to alternative tube stations from Aldwych:

700m Holborn

700m is quite a long walk when you're tired, its freezing cold and/or ****ing
down with rain. I suggest you try it sometime.

235m Temple

That stations a fat lot of use if you want to go north and don't fancy
to change onto 3 lines to do it. Incindetaly I'd love to know where you
got your figures from, I mean are you sure its 235m and not 236 or 234.5?

Hardly a great trek from any of them. I'd worry if most of the users of the
old Aldwych station can't walk 700 metres twice a day.

Using that logic you might as well close covent garden station, after all its
only 200m from leicester square. Whats the point of having it eh?


As to your suggestion of closing the ELL or Mill Hill East then you would
leave people with longer walks to get to an alternative tube stations:

Well since LU appears to be driven by purely financial constraints these
days I'd doubt they'd even care how far people have to travel to an
alternative.

B2003

Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Boltar ),
in message who said:

Hardly a great trek from any of them. I'd worry if most of the users
of the
old Aldwych station can't walk 700 metres twice a day.

Using that logic you might as well close covent garden station, after
all its
only 200m from leicester square. Whats the point of having it eh?


Because that area easily has enough traffic to justify the two stations?

Leicester Sq is overcrowded enough already, and Cov garden relieves pressure
on it significantly. It's utterly inconceivable that it could close under
present conditions.

The extra 500 passengers from Aldwych, OTOH, would've made very little
difference to the crowds at Holborn, Temple etc.

BTN

"Boltar" wrote in message
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"Dave Liney" wrote in message
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Distance by foot to alternative tube stations from Aldwych:

700m Holborn

700m is quite a long walk when you're tired, its freezing cold and/or
****ing
down with rain. I suggest you try it sometime.

Actually I walk 2140m each way from my house to the local railway station
most work days so I am well aware of how short a distance 700m is. Also I
used to work in Maltravers Street (which is beyond Aldwych station) and walk
to it from Holborn station. Somehow I coped even when it was cold and wet.

235m Temple

That stations a fat lot of use if you want to go north and don't fancy
to change onto 3 lines to do it. Incindetaly I'd love to know where you
got your figures from, I mean are you sure its 235m and not 236 or 234.5?

I used AutoRoute's measure a distance facility by tracing out the route a
pedestrian would take, and rounded to the nearest 5m. Is your argument so
weak that you are quibbling over 50cm?

Hardly a great trek from any of them. I'd worry if most of the users of
the
old Aldwych station can't walk 700 metres twice a day.

Using that logic you might as well close covent garden station, after all
its
only 200m from leicester square. Whats the point of having it eh?

It is on a through line and is heavily used. Not the same as Aldwych at all.

As to your suggestion of closing the ELL or Mill Hill East then you
would
leave people with longer walks to get to an alternative tube stations:

Well since LU appears to be driven by purely financial constraints these
days I'd doubt they'd even care how far people have to travel to an
alternative.

You appear to want transport to within spitting distance of your
destination. In which case try a taxi.

Dave.

"Boltar" wrote in message
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"Dave Liney" wrote in message
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That stations a fat lot of use if you want to go north and don't fancy
to change onto 3 lines to do it.

You had to change at Holborn from the Aldwych shuttle so one change is
already required.

From Temple going westbound you can change on to four northbound lines over
three stops. As well as Thameslink northbound through Kings Cross, Kentish
Town and West Hampstead.

The Metropolitan line requires two changes as does the northbound Piccadily
if you want to be efficient about it (but you don't want to walk to
Holborn). Every other line requires just the one change.

Removing the Aldwych shuttle didn't remove local transport links in the same
way you are suggesting.

Dave.