"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
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"juvenal" wrote in message
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Perhaps one might open up Aldwych Station as a special undeground
shopping
mall or similar service, with a dedicated rejeuvanated Underground
shuttle
from Holborn.

That sounds like a really good idea - they could renovate the
half-remodelled platform 6 at Holborn and the half-destroyed platform
2 at Aldwych and turn it into a super-modern Underground store where
they sell more Underground stuff.

Too bad it would be prohibitively expensive to repair the lifts -
they'd never get their investment back.

If you restored the disused station as an early Yerkes station, used the
station and the second tunnel to Holborn as a Tube museum, and redeveloped
the parts of the station that were never used as larger tunnels with small
retail outlets (along the lines of an undeground Covent Garden) with a
second Strand entrance, then you might have enough passengers to restore the
lifts (although it would be shame to remove them). If it really took off,
you could even put platforms on the JL oveerun from CX to Aldwych!

Beack in the realms of reality, though, you're probably right in thinking
that it probably wouldn't be able to pay it's way.

"juvenal" wrote in message ...
If you restored the disused station as an early Yerkes station, used the
station and the second tunnel to Holborn as a Tube museum, and redeveloped
the parts of the station that were never used as larger tunnels with small
retail outlets (along the lines of an undeground Covent Garden) with a
second Strand entrance, then you might have enough passengers to restore the
lifts (although it would be shame to remove them). If it really took off,
you could even put platforms on the JL oveerun from CX to Aldwych!

Beack in the realms of reality, though, you're probably right in thinking
that it probably wouldn't be able to pay it's way.

Its not unrealistic. Thats exactly how the NYC Transit museum is set up. Its
based in an old disused subway station on a spur from the main line and in
the platforms they've got lots of old stock that you can wander around in.
Aldwych would be a squeeze but CX would be perfect for this (well , for showing
tube stock at any rate).

B2003

"Boltar" wrote in message
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Its not unrealistic. Thats exactly how the NYC Transit
museum is set up. Its based in an old disused subway
station on a spur from the main line and in the platforms
they've got lots of old stock that you can wander around in.

I presume that is not a tube line, but a shallow skirt-blower line, from
which emergency exit could be made by the most asthmatic in about a minute.
The moribund Thameslink line from Farringdon to Moorgate could probably
become a museum, but for the deep tube Aldwych station with no lift or
escalator it is not practical.

--
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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

John Rowland wrote:
Its not unrealistic. Thats exactly how the NYC Transit
museum is set up. Its based in an old disused subway
station on a spur from the main line and in the platforms
they've got lots of old stock that you can wander around in.

I presume that is not a tube line, but a shallow skirt-blower line, from
which emergency exit could be made by the most asthmatic in about a minute.
The moribund Thameslink line from Farringdon to Moorgate could probably
become a museum, but for the deep tube Aldwych station with no lift or
escalator it is not practical.

From memory (and I only went there in December) you walk down one set
of stairs to get to the museum's mezzanine level, and then a further set
of stairs down to the platforms.

I think the station is called State, but I might be wrong - it is
directly below a big court house.

http://mta.info/mta/museum/index.html

The platform level appears to have one of each car for the history of
the subway, so you can start at one end and walk right through the whole
history of the trains. (What's rather more enjoyable are the photographs
of some of the old generating stations, which were in a temporary photo
gallery when I was there).

"juvenal" wrote in message ...
"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
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"juvenal" wrote in message
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Perhaps one might open up Aldwych Station as a special undeground
shopping
mall or similar service, with a dedicated rejeuvanated Underground
shuttle
from Holborn.

That sounds like a really good idea - they could renovate the
half-remodelled platform 6 at Holborn and the half-destroyed platform
2 at Aldwych and turn it into a super-modern Underground store where
they sell more Underground stuff.

Too bad it would be prohibitively expensive to repair the lifts -
they'd never get their investment back.

If you restored the disused station as an early Yerkes station, used the
station and the second tunnel to Holborn as a Tube museum, and redeveloped
the parts of the station that were never used as larger tunnels with small
retail outlets (along the lines of an undeground Covent Garden) with a
second Strand entrance, then you might have enough passengers to restore the
lifts (although it would be shame to remove them). If it really took off,
you could even put platforms on the JL oveerun from CX to Aldwych!

Beack in the realms of reality, though, you're probably right in thinking
that it probably wouldn't be able to pay it's way.

The problem with all of these ideas is lack of fire escape. On
several occasions I've been asked about the possibility of converting
Aldwych into some form of themed night club. The problem is that
health & safety would be a nightmare as the only access (currently) is
the spiral stair case and the lift shafts are in the same section as
that.

Currently, the only alternative exit is down the tunnels to Holborn
and this would mean crossing potentially live rails - again a big
no-no!

Conversion into a museum would be a grand idea, though I suspect
providing it with a special train only to serve the museum would
porbably be prohibitively expensive. I believe something similar
actually exists on the New York Subway, where Court Street station now
houses the New York Transit Museum.

Coincidentally, just this sort of conversion is about to be applied to
a tunnel that runs in parallel with Aldwych immediately above - the
Kingsway Tram Tunnel. I've been told that this (or at leas part of
it) is about to be converted into an art gallery which will open later
on this year.

--
Hywel Williams
http://www.starfury.demon.co.uk/uground

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"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
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"juvenal" wrote in message
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Perhaps one might open up Aldwych Station as a special undeground
shopping
mall or similar service, with a dedicated rejeuvanated Underground
shuttle
from Holborn.

That sounds like a really good idea - they could renovate the
half-remodelled platform 6 at Holborn and the half-destroyed platform
2 at Aldwych and turn it into a super-modern Underground store where
they sell more Underground stuff.

Too bad it would be prohibitively expensive to repair the lifts -
they'd never get their investment back.

If you restored the disused station as an early Yerkes station, used the
station and the second tunnel to Holborn as a Tube museum, and redeveloped
the parts of the station that were never used as larger tunnels with small
retail outlets (along the lines of an undeground Covent Garden) with a
second Strand entrance, then you might have enough passengers to restore the
lifts (although it would be shame to remove them). If it really took off,
you could even put platforms on the JL oveerun from CX to Aldwych!

Beack in the realms of reality, though, you're probably right in thinking
that it probably wouldn't be able to pay it's way.

The problem with all of these ideas is lack of fire escape. On
several occasions I've been asked about the possibility of converting
Aldwych into some form of themed night club. The problem is that
health & safety would be a nightmare as the only access (currently) is
the spiral stair case and the lift shafts are in the same section as
that.

Currently, the only alternative exit is down the tunnels to Holborn
and this would mean crossing potentially live rails - again a big
no-no!

Couldn't they gap the rails at the Holborn end of the shuttle tunnel?


Conversion into a museum would be a grand idea, though I suspect
providing it with a special train only to serve the museum would
porbably be prohibitively expensive. I believe something similar
actually exists on the New York Subway, where Court Street station now
houses the New York Transit Museum.

Coincidentally, just this sort of conversion is about to be applied to
a tunnel that runs in parallel with Aldwych immediately above - the
Kingsway Tram Tunnel. I've been told that this (or at leas part of
it) is about to be converted into an art gallery which will open later
on this year.

Is this the same tunnel that had all of the road signs in it? The one that
was going to be remodelled at the Strand/Aldywch end?

Brad

Is this the same tunnel that had all of the road signs in it? The one that
was going to be remodelled at the Strand/Aldywch end?

Brad


Coincidently I was floating around on a travel card today looking at
some of the architecture on the tube
Aldwych station was open to the public today with an art exhibition.
The station is rather nice but nothing compared to the escalators at
southgate IMHO

Beautiful bronze paneling and 1930s art deco uplighters

HTH phil

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Aldwych station was open to the public today with an art
exhibition. The station is rather nice but nothing compared to the
escalators at southgate IMHO

Do you know any more about this? How long will it be open for? Will it
be open tomorrow?

--
message by Robin May, enforcer of sod's law.
Enjoy the Routemaster while you still can.

Crime is confusing.

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(Robin May) wrote:

Aldwych station was open to the public today with an art
exhibition.
Do you know any more about this? How long will it be open for? Will it
be open tomorrow?

Couldn't find anything about it, but if you're a fan of the music of
youth, try this:
http://www.visitlondon.com/whats_on/...event?id=10737

(Phil) wrote in message om...

Is this the same tunnel that had all of the road signs in it? The one that
was going to be remodelled at the Strand/Aldywch end?

Brad


Coincidently I was floating around on a travel card today looking at
some of the architecture on the tube
Aldwych station was open to the public today with an art exhibition.
The station is rather nice but nothing compared to the escalators at
southgate IMHO

Beautiful bronze paneling and 1930s art deco uplighters

HTH phil

Ohhhhhhhh, I wish I had known about this!

*cries*

Brad