Arthur Figgis schrieb:


Yup. I was in Mannheim (or was it Heidelberg?) last year, and some old
bloke was shouting "denken Sie an die Kinder" (or whatever) at anyone
who crossed when the road was clear rather than when the light was green.

Why did he shout?
After all, according to this newsgroup, Germans don't do that?


BTW: What about pedestrians crossing railroad tracks, if the light is
red and no train in sight?



Hans-Joachim

On 12/02/2012 17:28, Hans-Joachim Zierke wrote:
Arthur Figgis schrieb:


Yup. I was in Mannheim (or was it Heidelberg?) last year, and some old
bloke was shouting "denken Sie an die Kinder" (or whatever) at anyone
who crossed when the road was clear rather than when the light was green.

Why did he shout?
After all, according to this newsgroup, Germans don't do that?

Maybe the people crossing weren't German? Had it been Britain, a close
approximation to no-one would have been stood waiting for the lights
(unless some German tourists happened to be passing).

BTW: What about pedestrians crossing railroad tracks, if the light is
red and no train in sight?

There probably aren't all that many places where the situation arises -
there would generally be lights and barriers, or no safety systems at
all - but in general I think people would wait for a train. Unless they
were going to catch one from the other platform...

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Feb 4, 11:58*pm, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:

Perhaps the German criminal are obedient to a different set of rules ?

I think so. They don't cross on a red pedestrian light, but there is
a major graffiti problem in the way there isn't in the UK (say).

Neil

On Feb 5, 1:33*pm, Neil Williams wrote:
On Feb 4, 11:58*pm, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:

Perhaps the German criminal are obedient to a different set of rules ?

[...]*They don't cross on a red pedestrian light,

They don't?!

Perhaps they really do put those "The children are watching - wait for
the green" signs up in shacksvilles at the end of branch lines solely
for the benefit of any passing British track-bashers - but I rather
suspect not!

R.

On Feb 5, 2:23*pm, Ross-a-travelling wrote:

They don't?!

Not to the extent that people do in the UK, where they are an entirely
optional aid to pedestrianism, to be used only when the traffic is too
heavy not to use them.

Neil

En el artículo , Bruce
escribió:

About 3.5% of journeys on German public transport are not paid for,

You could turn that round and say that 96.5% of journeys are paid for.
Given the (apparent) low levels of inspection, that seems pretty high to
me.

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(='.'=)
(")_(")

Am 06.02.2012 07:42, schrieb Mike Tomlinson:
About 3.5% of journeys on German public transport are not paid for,

You could turn that round and say that 96.5% of journeys are paid for.
Given the (apparent) low levels of inspection, that seems pretty high to
me.

And please note that the 3.5% is a statistical estimate with some
margin of error, or even a bias resulting from the interest of the
transport companies to increase their income.

A transit organisation will have to find an optimum within the
constraints of maximising the income from fares plus penalty fares on
the one hand and the minimising of the costs of controlling the payment.
A city in Belgium found that to dispense with collecting fares for their
public transit was the optimum. Society through their administrations
have also to consider how the usage and hence cost of alternative modes
of transports change caused by modifying the fares for public transit.

There is no single dimension, and one has to be able to calculate
with more than one single variable.


Cheers,
L.W.

On Feb 6, 7:42*am, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

You could turn that round and say that 96.5% of journeys are paid for.
Given the (apparent) low levels of inspection, that seems pretty high to
me.

Does "public transport" mean "city public transport", or does it
include IC rail, where on-board checks are conducted, so getting away
with it is unlikely?

Neil

Am 06.02.2012 12:34, schrieb Neil Williams:
You could turn that round and say that 96.5% of journeys are paid for.
Given the (apparent) low levels of inspection, that seems pretty high to
me.
Does "public transport" mean "city public transport", or does it
include IC rail, where on-board checks are conducted, so getting away
with it is unlikely?

VDV is talking here only about local and regional transit, not long
distance journeys.


Cheers,
L.W.

Neil Williams schrieb:


Does "public transport" mean "city public transport", or does it
include IC rail, where on-board checks are conducted, so getting away
with it is unlikely?

While I don't /know/ it, I /assume/ that the VDV is talking about
"Nahverkehr". So it would include RE trains, where there are ticket
checks by the guard, usually.

Unless it is a situation as on the Hunsrückbahn, where fare dodging has
reached a level around 50%.



Hans-Joachim