If it meant getting to London on a Z6 travelcard, I don't think they'd
complain.

Yerrbut it'd also mean London's tea-leafs 'n feral youfs getting to
Cambridge on an Oyster (possibly the one they've just robbed off a
visiting Cantabrigian.......)
--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

In article , Robin wrote:
If it meant getting to London on a Z6 travelcard, I don't think they'd
complain.

Yerrbut it'd also mean London's tea-leafs 'n feral youfs getting to
Cambridge on an Oyster (possibly the one they've just robbed off a
visiting Cantabrigian.......)

Lahdahn LOOT ....

Nick
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On Feb 6, 8:35*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 20:00:00 on
Mon, 6 Feb 2012, Paul Corfield remarked:

The Mayor has launched a proposal for further rail services to come
under TfL control.

http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor%E2%80...ervices-london

The proposal centres on taking over the local "West Anglia" routes out
of Liverpool Street

Only those to Chingford, Enfield and Hertford East.

I did say "local" routes - I don't think anyone can reasonably say
Cambridge or Stansted are local to London.

I didn't catch on to the emphasis on *local* WA routes.

The report says that the outer limit of stations aligns with the
Mayor's wider boundary.

Roughly inside the M25 I suppose.

Greater London - I think Paul's phrase "the Mayor's wider boundary" is
potentially confusing - the GLA/Mayor have one boundary, and it's the
GL boundary. Of course arrangements can be made for TfL provided
services to run beyond the GL boundary - there's the Met line, and in
recent times London Overground beyond Hatch End up to Watford -
sensible arrangements could be made elsewhere.

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:45:09 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 17:34:41 on
Mon, 6 Feb 2012, Paul Corfield remarked:
The Mayor has launched a proposal for further rail services to come
under TfL control.


http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor%E2%80...g-rail-service
s-london

The proposal centres on taking over the local "West Anglia" routes out
of Liverpool Street

Only those to Chingford, Enfield and Hertford East.

I did say "local" routes - I don't think anyone can reasonably say
Cambridge or Stansted are local to London.

The report says that the outer limit of stations aligns with the
Mayor's wider boundary.

I was looking
forward to Cambridge being in Zone 6 (with bargain fares as a result),
but this seems unlikely.

I guess you can dream but I can't imagine the good burghers of
Cambridge would want a London Mayor controlling their train services.

We did have a City Council leader once who thought the City should become a
London Borough. He thought it would bring the right mix of powers to the
council. As his deputy at the time, I'm not sure he was entirely serious
about it, though. :-)

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Feb 6, 3:00*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
The report says that the outer limit of stations aligns with the
Mayor's wider boundary.

has TfL or the GLA ever produced a map showing what that boundary is?
I did a quick Google but couldn't find anything.
--
Roy

On Feb 6, 8:36*pm, Roy Stilling wrote:

On Feb 6, 3:00*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

The report says that the outer limit of stations aligns with the
Mayor's wider boundary.

has TfL or the GLA ever produced a map showing what that boundary is?
I did a quick Google but couldn't find anything.

It's the Greater London boundary, which has existed since 1965 (with a
few minor amendments since then).

This TfL Streets master map shows an overview of Greater London and
its boundary:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...Map_Master.pdf

There's some outline mapping available in the wikipedia entry for
Greater London:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London

Decent street maps such as the A-Z or the Collins Bartholomew mapping
used by streetmap.co.uk show administrative boundaries.
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/

OS's useful Election Maps site also shows administrative boundaries:
http://www.election-maps.co.uk/

On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 05:34:41PM +0000, Paul Corfield wrote:

http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor%E2%80...ervices-london

The proposal centres on taking over the local "West Anglia" routes out
of Liverpool Street and the inner suburban services on South Eastern.
There is a report linked from the above press release.

It's a damned shame that, if you look at the map and charts on page 21,
the areas proposed for a TfL takeover are those that already have the
best service. It would be better to concentrate on areas served by
Southern and Southwest Trains, as they serve areas that have a lower
train frequency and very few tube stations.

The diagram on page 29 bears out the complaints I've been making here
about the recent Clapham Junction to Shepherds Bush improvements being
little more than cosmetic. They are predicted to be woefully inadequate
within a decade - indeed, they are inadequate already. We can assume
that all of those figures are under-estimates, given that it says that
there are *no* passengers having to stand between Battersea Park and
Balham - that's not true now, and certainly won't be in a decade's time.

And I'm surprised that there's no mention of HS2 or Old Oak Common.

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