On 06/02/2012 14:50, Bruce wrote:
From the Evening Standard:

Boris bid to run every rail service in London


Boris Johnson today made a bid to take over every rail service in
London in a move described as the biggest shake-up since
privatisation.

The Mayor wants to control all suburban railways and introduce a
one-ticket system across Greater London.

Haven't we got one? Or would this be about squishing those nasty
point-to-point rail seasons in favour of multi-modal travelcards... at
twice the price. Or even breaking through ticketing to the world beyond
the M25.

In his most dramatic campaign pledge so far in his fight to be
re-elected, Mr Johnson said the "devolution of power" to City Hall
would lead to lower fares. The plan would put him in charge of key
commuter routes from outlying areas.

As in Worcester, King's Lynn, Dover, Exeter - or just more TOCs per
terminus?



--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Feb 6, 7:10*pm, Arthur Figgis wrote:

On 06/02/2012 14:50, Bruce wrote:

*From the Evening Standard:

Boris bid to run every rail service in London

Boris Johnson today made a bid to take over every rail service in
London in a move described as the biggest shake-up since
privatisation.

The Mayor wants to control all suburban railways and introduce a
one-ticket system across Greater London.

Haven't we got one? Or would this be about squishing those nasty
point-to-point rail seasons in favour of multi-modal travelcards... at
twice the price. Or even breaking through ticketing to the world beyond
the M25.

We've got three different Oyster PAYG fare scales for single journeys
- one for TfL rail services (Tube, DLR, London Overground plus a few
NR routes as well), one for NR, and one for 'through journeys' that
involve both TfL and NR rated services. This understandably causes
some confusion - a single unified tariff would be preferable.

The 'three tariff' situation is mirrored with paper ticket fares for
single journeys (and indeed return journeys - though off-peak, a Day
Travelcard is likely to be cheaper) - one fare scale for TfL/Tube, one
for NR, one for TfL-NR through journeys.

Haven't ever come across any suggestion that point-to-point rail
seasons would be squished, either under the proposals floated back
when Livingstone was Mayor, nor under any of these latest proposals.

On 06/02/2012 20:06, Mizter T wrote:

On Feb 6, 7:10 pm, Arthur wrote:

On 06/02/2012 14:50, Bruce wrote:

From the Evening Standard:

Boris bid to run every rail service in London

Boris Johnson today made a bid to take over every rail service in
London in a move described as the biggest shake-up since
privatisation.

The Mayor wants to control all suburban railways and introduce a
one-ticket system across Greater London.

Haven't we got one? Or would this be about squishing those nasty
point-to-point rail seasons in favour of multi-modal travelcards... at
twice the price. Or even breaking through ticketing to the world beyond
the M25.

We've got three different Oyster PAYG fare scales for single journeys
- one for TfL rail services (Tube, DLR, London Overground plus a few
NR routes as well), one for NR, and one for 'through journeys' that
involve both TfL and NR rated services. This understandably causes
some confusion - a single unified tariff would be preferable.

With Oyster, how many people actually know? I'm hearing more and more
people saying they basically trust they system to get it right, or at
least even out over time.

I must admit I didn't know Overground was different to the rest of NR.
How would know whether you get Overground or Southern for the trips
where both are possible?

The 'three tariff' situation is mirrored with paper ticket fares for
single journeys (and indeed return journeys - though off-peak, a Day
Travelcard is likely to be cheaper) - one fare scale for TfL/Tube, one
for NR, one for TfL-NR through journeys.

Haven't ever come across any suggestion that point-to-point rail
seasons would be squished, either under the proposals floated back
when Livingstone was Mayor, nor under any of these latest proposals.

Equally, has anyone denied it...

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Feb 7, 8:55*am, Arthur Figgis wrote:

I must admit I didn't know Overground was different to the rest of NR.
How would know whether you get Overground or Southern for the trips
where both are possible?

One set of fares apply. The same as Euston-Watford Junction assumes
you *didn't* use LO, because LM is a more attractive service for that
journey.

Neil

"Neil Williams" wrote:

On Feb 7, 8:55 am, Arthur Figgis wrote:

I must admit I didn't know Overground was different to the rest of NR.
How would know whether you get Overground or Southern for the trips
where both are possible?

One set of fares apply. The same as Euston-Watford Junction assumes
you *didn't* use LO, because LM is a more attractive service for that
journey.

That's not a great example, in that it doesn't really make sense - there's
only one Oyster PAYG fare for a Watford Jn to Euston (or v.v.) journey - my
understanding is that it's essentially set by London Midland, as it's
'their' flow (bear in mind WJ is outside the zonal system - 'zone W' for WJ
is a term that's only used internally).