On 12/03/2012 10:44, Graeme Wall wrote:

On 12/03/2012 10:23, David Walters wrote:

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:44:14 +0000 (UTC),
d wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that
were plying their trade around central london about 8 years back
and that Mayor Ken made such a big deal about at the time?
Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in a

They are running on RV1:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...hemes/8444.asp

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Missing an x on the end of the URL.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/8444.aspx

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:56:49 +0000
Mizter T wrote:
Missing an x on the end of the URL.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/8444.aspx

"This is part of our bid to reduce CO2 emissions from transport and i
tackle climate change."

Not if the hydrogen is made using electricity from coal fired power stations
it isn't. Its probably worse than diesel.

B2003

On 12/03/2012 10:56, Mizter T wrote:

On 12/03/2012 10:44, Graeme Wall wrote:

On 12/03/2012 10:23, David Walters wrote:

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:44:14 +0000 (UTC),
d wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that
were plying their trade around central london about 8 years back
and that Mayor Ken made such a big deal about at the time?
Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in a

They are running on RV1:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...hemes/8444.asp

Page Not Found


Missing an x on the end of the URL.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/8444.aspx

Doh! should have noticed. Anyway that should answer Boltar's question,
though it may not be the answer he was hoping for.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:44:14 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in a

They are running on RV1:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...hemes/8444.asp

No, those are newer ones from 2011.

The ones that Boltar refers to were three that were introduced in 2004
and were in service on the 25 and later on the RV1.

All three [ESQ64991/2/3] were withdrawn from service in 2007 and went to
museums, 64993 as far as I know is still in the London Transport Museum
in Covent Garden.

On Mar 12, 10:23*am, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:55:50 +0000

Graeme Wall wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in
a
depot to rot?

Presumably they could have been converted back to conventional fuel. *We

Doubt it, AFAIR they used a fuel cell, not just a piston engine running on
hydrogen.

B2003

The original ones are scrapped or stored without running units in
preservation hands, some new ones arrived last year; the first lot
were M-B Citaros, the current ones are VDL/Wrightbus.

On 12/03/2012 12:21, Jim wrote:
In ,
says...

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:44:14 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left in a

They are running on RV1:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...hemes/8444.asp

No, those are newer ones from 2011.

The ones that Boltar refers to were three that were introduced in 2004
and were in service on the 25 and later on the RV1.

All three [ESQ64991/2/3] were withdrawn from service in 2007 and went to
museums, 64993 as far as I know is still in the London Transport Museum
in Covent Garden.

ESQ64991 is allocated to the Science Museum
ESQ64992 TPT Beith

I don't recall seeing ESQ64993 when I visited the LT Museum last year so
it may well be at Acton.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:38:29 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
The ones that Boltar refers to were three that were introduced in 2004
and were in service on the 25 and later on the RV1.

All three [ESQ64991/2/3] were withdrawn from service in 2007 and went to
museums, 64993 as far as I know is still in the London Transport Museum
in Covent Garden.

ESQ64991 is allocated to the Science Museum
ESQ64992 TPT Beith

I don't recall seeing ESQ64993 when I visited the LT Museum last year so
it may well be at Acton.

What a waste of money. Why couldn't they keep them in service? Surely the
fuel cell isn't life expired after 3 years?

B2003

In article ,
(Graeme Wall) wrote:

On 12/03/2012 12:21, Jim wrote:
In ,
says...

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:44:14 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:
On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were
plying their trade around central london about 8 years back and that
Mayor Ken made such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold,
scrapped, or just left in a

They are running on RV1:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...hemes/8444.asp

No, those are newer ones from 2011.

The ones that Boltar refers to were three that were introduced in 2004
and were in service on the 25 and later on the RV1.

All three [ESQ64991/2/3] were withdrawn from service in 2007 and went to
museums, 64993 as far as I know is still in the London Transport Museum
in Covent Garden.

ESQ64991 is allocated to the Science Museum
ESQ64992 TPT Beith

I don't recall seeing ESQ64993 when I visited the LT Museum last year
so it may well be at Acton.

According to the TfL web page it is there.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:38:29 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

I don't recall seeing ESQ64993 when I visited the LT Museum last year so
it may well be at Acton.

It was parked round the back of the Depot at Acton last time I visited
the test train section down there. Unfortunately I didn't have a
camera with me.

Isn't that what a phone's for these days?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 12/03/2012 09:44, d wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
Mizter wrote:
Hybrid buses in use

There are 225 diesel-electric hybrid buses in London, running on
routes 3, 12, 15, 16, 24, 76, 94, R70, 139, 141, 149, 380, 328, 360,
371, H91, E8, 73, 436 and 188.

The 225 hybrid buses operating in London are split between 7 bus
operating companies and 10 different types of hybrid buses.
---/quote---


Hybrid buses get a big thumbs up from me.

On a related note , what happened to those hydrogen buses that were
plying
their trade around central london about 8 years back and that Mayor Ken
made
such a big deal about at the time? Were they sold, scrapped, or just left
in a
depot to rot?


Presumably they could have been converted back to conventional fuel. We
had some Dennis Darts in Southampton running on hydrogen around the same
time. They disappeared at the same time as their conventional
counterparts.

If you mean the ones I think you mean, they were running on liquid natural
gas or somesuch. Ruddy great tanks on the roof, made them the nearest you'd
get these days to driving a trolleybus, and the tanks held enough gas for
3/4 of a day's work.

http://www.henden.co.uk/303and117.jpg
http://www.henden.co.uk/117and303.jpg

Fire Brigade: -"We must turn the gas off. Wheres the tap?"
Onlooking Driver:- "On the back of the front bus. Squashed up against the
back bus."

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