So, it's finally really happening.


....... and only thirteen years late.

On 15/03/2012 14:55, allantracy wrote:

So, it's finally really happening.


...... and only thirteen years late.

so it is doing better than Thameslink 2000?

On Mar 15, 2:55*pm, allantracy wrote:
So, it's finally really happening.

...... and only thirteen years late.

It was approved 2007 ... under a Labour government based on the 2005
proposals ... made during a Labour government.

If it is 13 years late by your reckoning it was 1994 when it ought to
have been approved - but it was not - by a Tory government.

The previous study that made as far as a Bill were presented in 1991
to a Tory gov finally rejected in 1994 by a Tory gov.

How do you think now then ?

--
Nick

On Mar 15, 7:02*pm, D7666 wrote:

On Mar 15, 2:55*pm, allantracy wrote:

So, it's finally really happening.

...... and only thirteen years late.

It was approved 2007 ... under a Labour government based on the 2005
proposals ... made during a Labour government.

If it is 13 years late by your reckoning it was 1994 when it ought to
have been approved - but it was not - by a Tory government.

The previous study that made as far as a Bill were presented in 1991
to a Tory gov finally rejected in 1994 by a Tory gov.

How do you think now then ?

Quite - here's a very brief historical background on an archived page
which used to reside on Crossrail's own website:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/8a8funk

If it is 13 years late by your reckoning it was 1994 when it ought to
have been approved - but it was not - by a Tory government.

The previous study that made as far as a Bill were presented in 1991
to a Tory gov finally rejected in 1994 by a Tory gov.

How do you think now then ?


Well therein lies the difference

Tories said we're not doing it and doing it they did not.

New Labour said we are doing it and doing it they did not.

The difference we now call spin.

On Mar 15, 8:44*pm, allantracy wrote:

New Labour said we are doing it and doing it they did not.


Explain.

What did they not do ?

NO WAY was a project like this ever going to get authorised underway
and completed in one term of government. If you really think that you
are more in cloud cuckoo land than I thought. there has been an
election, but that does not undo what was done before.

--
Nick
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On 2012\03\15 20:44, allantracy wrote:

If it is 13 years late by your reckoning it was 1994 when it ought to
have been approved - but it was not - by a Tory government.

The previous study that made as far as a Bill were presented in 1991
to a Tory gov finally rejected in 1994 by a Tory gov.

How do you think now then ?


Well therein lies the difference

Tories said we're not doing it and doing it they did not.

New Labour said we are doing it and doing it they did not.

The difference we now call spin.

Indeed... you can't bore a tunnel without spin.

On 15/03/2012 20:44, allantracy wrote:

If it is 13 years late by your reckoning it was 1994 when it ought to
have been approved - but it was not - by a Tory government.

The previous study that made as far as a Bill were presented in 1991
to a Tory gov finally rejected in 1994 by a Tory gov.

How do you think now then ?


Well therein lies the difference

Tories said we're not doing it and doing it they did not.

New Labour said we are doing it and doing it they did not.


Providing you ignore all the years of preparatory work that has been
going on before they could get to the point of unleashing the TBMs.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

On 16/03/2012 10:10, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:34:43 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 15/03/2012 20:44, allantracy wrote:

If it is 13 years late by your reckoning it was 1994 when it ought to
have been approved - but it was not - by a Tory government.

The previous study that made as far as a Bill were presented in 1991
to a Tory gov finally rejected in 1994 by a Tory gov.

How do you think now then ?


Well therein lies the difference

Tories said we're not doing it and doing it they did not.

New Labour said we are doing it and doing it they did not.


Providing you ignore all the years of preparatory work that has been
going on before they could get to the point of unleashing the TBMs.

Goodness are you telling me that design, statutory approvals and
consultation, property purchase, procurement, utility works and
mobilisation didn't all happen in the last couple of months? I'm
shocked. I thought Justine Greening had been doing it all single
handedly.


I'm sure Boris will claim it was all his doing.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail