On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 10:50:20 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 10:25:42 on Fri,
23 Mar 2012, Theo Markettos
remarked:
I'm fairly sure there's a law that says you must provide free toilets if
you serve alcohol - and this has been floated as the reason why St
Pancras toilets are free (the champagne bar etc).

Does this mean you can't have 'a trolley service of drinks and ... a fully
licensed bar' on a 313? Or a unit where the only toilet is locked out of
use?

Trains are a special case and aren't licenced, so I would expect any law
about licenced premises not to apply.

They are "licensed" in the sense that the sale of alcohol is dependant
on licensing laws which include trains within their scope (the only
real exemption seems to be any requirement for licensing of individual
places) which limit when and to whom the alcohol can be sold and can
prohibit such sales.
In any case, there does not seem to be any mention of toilets (or
tiolets) in current Licensing Acts.

In message , at 21:15:06 on Thu, 22 Mar
2012, Roland Perry remarked:

I'm fairly sure there's a law that says you must provide free toilets
if you serve alcohol - and this has been floated as the reason why St
Pancras toilets are free (the champagne bar etc).

However I'm happy to revert to a legal newsgroup to discuss if this is
an urban legend.

Having done that, it seems that there's no overarching legal
requirement, but some councils have it as (in effect) a byelaw through
standard licencing conditions. But not Camden.

Looking at Camden's online licencing site, the Parcel Yard, M&S[1] and
the apparently[2] dry Mexican fastfood joint next to the wine bar have
licences, but the wine bar itself isn't listed.

[1] The outlet my earlier informant must have missed, on the outer edge,
along with the escalators from the NTH which others have missed.
This is a fascinating time, when seasoned travellers can experience
what it's like to be an infrequent user of a station.

[2] I had a quick look around it yesterday evening and couldn't see any
alcohol for sale.
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:15:06 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:
I'm fairly sure there's a law that says you must provide free
toilets if
you serve alcohol

It is normally a licence condition. At Manc Picc it used to involve
a dedicated bog upstairs for which staff would issue a door code.

Neil

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Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:41:09 +0000, Arthur Figgis wrote:

On 22/03/2012 20:21, Roland Perry wrote:

All the toilets are 30p (beneath the pub and at the southern end of the
mezzanine), and I don't understand how the Prezzo bar complies with the
law in this respect. The pub has its own free toilets on both floors.

What law?

There are lots stations with catering and only paid-for bogs, and others
with catering and no bogs at all. I looked this up with regard to a
then-new coffee place on West Croydon station, and it seemed that it is
myth that toilets have to be provided where there is food and drink on
sale, however local authorities can choose to require them.

I think that is the correct answer. From my memory (which may admittedly
be wrong) the Station Cafe in Craven Arms -- not at the station, despite
its name -- does not have any toilet facilities at all.

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Bewdley, Worcs. ~90m asl.