http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17807502

London 2012: TfL details Games rail and Tube hotspots Posters warning
people about busy roads and trains during the Games have been put up.

Olympics organisers have published details of the Tube and rail
"hotspots" that those who live, work and travel in London should avoid
during the Games.

The information provides a "final picture" on which stations will be
most affected from 27 July, they said.

Bank, Earl's Court and London Bridge stations will be "exceptionally
busy".

The TfL website is useless since it isn't specific enough.

http://www.getaheadofthegames.com/tr...transport.html
http://www.getaheadofthegames.com/tr...onal-rail.html

Hotspots missing - and they're hotspots anyway - are

* the Picadilly Line to/from Heathrow and Central London

* HConn / HEX between Heathrow and Paddington

* FGW locals between Reading and Paddington

* grossly over-congested platform 12 at Paddington

These are over-crowded anyway - and will be even worse during the
Olympics.

On 23/04/2012 09:37, CJB wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17807502

London 2012: TfL details Games rail and Tube hotspots Posters warning
people about busy roads and trains during the Games have been put up.

Olympics organisers have published details of the Tube and rail
"hotspots" that those who live, work and travel in London should avoid
during the Games.

The information provides a "final picture" on which stations will be
most affected from 27 July, they said.

Bank, Earl's Court and London Bridge stations will be "exceptionally
busy".

The TfL website is useless since it isn't specific enough.

Indeed - and looking at Shadwell and living around the corner from it,
I'm thoroughly confused about what's happening given there's two
stations and they don't specifically mention which one is which.

In message
, at
01:37:56 on Mon, 23 Apr 2012, CJB remarked:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17807502

London 2012: TfL details Games rail and Tube hotspots Posters warning
people about busy roads and trains during the Games have been put up.

Olympics organisers have published details of the Tube and rail
"hotspots" that those who live, work and travel in London should avoid
during the Games.

The information provides a "final picture" on which stations will be
most affected from 27 July, they said.

Bank, Earl's Court and London Bridge stations will be "exceptionally
busy".

The TfL website is useless since it isn't specific enough.

Perhaps they have some updated versions of the detailed "heat tables"
published some time ago? eg:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...uing-times.pdf
--
Roland Perry

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:14:28 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

The transport network starts from a position of being *less* busy
because the Games coincide with Summer holidays when demand always
falls. There may be some extra demand on services in to Paddington but
it is not going to the vision of "hell on earth" you obviously want it
to be.

This is true of the Olympics, but won't the Paralympics occur after
the holidays are over, and when most Londoners are back at work? Many
people who failed to get Olympics tickets have instead opted for the
Paralympics which have the added bonus of a higher chance of seeing a
Brit win. And perhaps there will also be more disabled spectators who
will tax the limited lift facilities at even the relatively few
step-free stations.

Paul Corfield wrote:

Actually there is no great concern about Heathrow to London services
other than on the last day of the Olympics when there is a mass
departure. Arrivals are staggered over a much longer period and won't
overload the services. This is based on informed discussions I had
several months ago with a range of people who know what is planned.

Furthermore, it's not like the airlines are putting on extra flights to handle
extra passengers, even if slots were available - and there aren't. Given that
the flights are mostly full already and there aren't larger planes sitting
around waiting to be substituted in, I doubt it's even going to be noticable.

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:59:29 -0600, Robert Neville
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote:

Actually there is no great concern about Heathrow to London services
other than on the last day of the Olympics when there is a mass
departure. Arrivals are staggered over a much longer period and won't
overload the services. This is based on informed discussions I had
several months ago with a range of people who know what is planned.

Furthermore, it's not like the airlines are putting on extra flights to handle
extra passengers, even if slots were available - and there aren't. Given that
the flights are mostly full already and there aren't larger planes sitting
around waiting to be substituted in, I doubt it's even going to be noticable.

That's largely true of Heathrow (at least at peak times), but extra
Olympic charters may come into other London airports which do have
some spare capacity. Even at Heathrow, foreign airlines may choose to
put on larger planes than normal on their scheduled flights but as you
say, the British carriers don't have much flexibility.

On 23/04/2012 13:59, Robert Neville wrote:
Paul wrote:

Actually there is no great concern about Heathrow to London services
other than on the last day of the Olympics when there is a mass
departure. Arrivals are staggered over a much longer period and won't
overload the services. This is based on informed discussions I had
several months ago with a range of people who know what is planned.

Furthermore, it's not like the airlines are putting on extra flights to handle
extra passengers, even if slots were available - and there aren't. Given that
the flights are mostly full already and there aren't larger planes sitting
around waiting to be substituted in, I doubt it's even going to be noticable.

The main difference will be that a greater proportion than usual will
not be transit passengers but using LHR as their final destination.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

In message , at 06:59:29 on
Mon, 23 Apr 2012, Robert Neville remarked:
Actually there is no great concern about Heathrow to London services
other than on the last day of the Olympics when there is a mass
departure. Arrivals are staggered over a much longer period and won't
overload the services. This is based on informed discussions I had
several months ago with a range of people who know what is planned.

Furthermore, it's not like the airlines are putting on extra flights to handle
extra passengers, even if slots were available - and there aren't. Given that
the flights are mostly full already and there aren't larger planes sitting
around waiting to be substituted in, I doubt it's even going to be noticable.

Actually, the major airlines can and do swap aircraft when there's a
"special event" going on. I've been on a 757 when normally there would
have been a 737, for example.

You can't do this unless you have a mixed fleet, of course.

I haven't looked, but are the Easyjet's and Ryanairs adding extra
services to Luton/Stansted (where there are plenty of free slots)
diverting them away from other intra-Europe flights, or is it too short
a period for them to be worried about?
--
Roland Perry

I haven't looked, but are the Easyjet's and Ryanairs adding extra
services to Luton/Stansted (where there are plenty of free slots)
diverting them away from other intra-Europe flights, or is it too short
a period for them to be worried about?


Don't forget they have London Southend Airport as well now.

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:59:29 -0600, Robert Neville
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote:

Actually there is no great concern about Heathrow to London services
other than on the last day of the Olympics when there is a mass
departure. Arrivals are staggered over a much longer period and won't
overload the services. This is based on informed discussions I had
several months ago with a range of people who know what is planned.

Furthermore, it's not like the airlines are putting on extra flights to
handle extra passengers, even if slots were available - and there aren't.
Given that the flights are mostly full already and there aren't larger
planes sitting around waiting to be substituted in, I doubt it's even
going to be noticable.

That's largely true of Heathrow (at least at peak times), but extra
Olympic charters may come into other London airports which do have
some spare capacity. Even at Heathrow, foreign airlines may choose to
put on larger planes than normal on their scheduled flights but as you
say, the British carriers don't have much flexibility.

Cambridge is expecting quite a few Olympic flights.

--
Colin Rosenstiel