On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 01:27:45PM +0100, wrote:

I know a driver on one of the tube lines, and he tells me that employees
of TfL do not receive any sort of discounts when using NR -- not even
annual one-off tickets.

Are you sure about that? I know they used to, and my parents (my dad's
a BR pensioner) get cheap tube tickets. Perhaps this is just left over
from the days before BR was dismembered and sold off to the worst
bidder.

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On 14/05/2012 12:53, David Cantrell wrote:
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 01:27:45PM +0100, wrote:

I know a driver on one of the tube lines, and he tells me that employees
of TfL do not receive any sort of discounts when using NR -- not even
annual one-off tickets.

Are you sure about that? I know they used to, and my parents (my dad's
a BR pensioner) get cheap tube tickets. Perhaps this is just left over
from the days before BR was dismembered and sold off to the worst
bidder.

Just going on what I have been told. This person has worked on the Tube
for about eight years, so that could change things.

On 14/05/2012 18:57, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2012 12:53:58 +0100, David Cantrell
wrote:

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 01:27:45PM +0100, wrote:

I know a driver on one of the tube lines, and he tells me that employees
of TfL do not receive any sort of discounts when using NR -- not even
annual one-off tickets.

Are you sure about that? I know they used to, and my parents (my dad's
a BR pensioner) get cheap tube tickets. Perhaps this is just left over
from the days before BR was dismembered and sold off to the worst
bidder.

BR privatisation is the cut off point for whether TfL employees have
privilege facilities or not. Further some TfL employees come from
predecessor organisations who have no historical entitlement to
privilege ticket facilities. It needs to be said that with the sheer
complexity of rail ticketing and advent of cheap advance tickets that
the value of the privilege facility has reduced enormously over the
years.

Do TfL people get FIP travel abroad, like the post-privatisation
National Rail types do (but apparently often don't know about)?


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 14/05/2012 22:07, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 14/05/2012 18:57, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2012 12:53:58 +0100, David Cantrell
wrote:

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 01:27:45PM +0100, wrote:

I know a driver on one of the tube lines, and he tells me that
employees
of TfL do not receive any sort of discounts when using NR -- not even
annual one-off tickets.

Are you sure about that? I know they used to, and my parents (my dad's
a BR pensioner) get cheap tube tickets. Perhaps this is just left over
from the days before BR was dismembered and sold off to the worst
bidder.

BR privatisation is the cut off point for whether TfL employees have
privilege facilities or not. Further some TfL employees come from
predecessor organisations who have no historical entitlement to
privilege ticket facilities. It needs to be said that with the sheer
complexity of rail ticketing and advent of cheap advance tickets that
the value of the privilege facility has reduced enormously over the
years.

Do TfL people get FIP travel abroad, like the post-privatisation
National Rail types do (but apparently often don't know about)?



Don't know, but I once met somebody who worked for Network Rail and
joined the organisation before 1997. Besides free rail travel throughout
the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, he claimed
that he would be able get free rail travel on the continent, though he
would have to first write to the relevant agency.

Don't know if that privilege included tube and bus, though.

On 14/05/2012 22:51, wrote:
On 14/05/2012 22:07, Arthur Figgis wrote:

Do TfL people get FIP travel abroad, like the post-privatisation
National Rail types do (but apparently often don't know about)?



Don't know, but I once met somebody who worked for Network Rail and
joined the organisation before 1997. Besides free rail travel throughout
the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, he claimed
that he would be able get free rail travel on the continent, though he
would have to first write to the relevant agency.

That's the one. I often travel with a friend who uses it. It is a
bizarrely complex system, with a paper pass issued for each country. The
passes are printed with a set number of boxes which have to be dated and
are then valid for two consecutive days of travel. This confuses
grippers who haven't seen one before; there seems to be a roughly even
split between grippers saying "what is that and why have you written
yesterday's date?" and "ah, I've just come back from a trip to Kyle of
Lochalsh using my own boxes".

Don't know if that privilege included tube and bus, though.

Valid on "national rail" type systems and a few off-shoots like ferries
only, I think, with things like franchised and minor operators being a
bit unclear. It occasionally seems to work for national railway museums,
but that might be unofficial.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In message , Paul Corfield
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Nope. The Eurostar discount is the only offer that gets you to
foreign soil by rail. There are still some ferry discounts for
privilege facility holders.
I sometimes look at the ATOC Staff Travel guidance document for NR
staff and am mildly jealous. Still I could always go and get a job
with a TOC!
In 1966 we not only got free passes country wide, (mine were always made
out Penzance to Thurso) ordinary travel at .25 of the standard fare and
a thing called an international authority card for foreign travel. It
cost me 2/6 (two shilling and six pence) to travel from Bristol to
Paris. That 2/6 was nothing to do with trains it was port tax charges
which the railway didn't own.
--
Clive

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 06:57:10PM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:

BR privatisation is the cut off point for whether TfL employees have
privilege facilities or not.

Ahh, OK, I guess that makes sense.

Further some TfL employees come from
predecessor organisations who have no historical entitlement to
privilege ticket facilities. It needs to be said that with the sheer
complexity of rail ticketing and advent of cheap advance tickets that
the value of the privilege facility has reduced enormously over the
years.

My parents make a lot of use of their ration of free 48hr passes, and I
suppose the european travel passes (do they still exist?) would be
valuable. Back when I were a lad, kiddy priv fares were capped at a
pound. I used to travel all over the place for next to nothing. Return
from the south coast to Mallaig? Pocket money!

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David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactionary pig

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you are having to me in plain English, using small words.
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