So, how do TOC's expect children to buy a ticket, when they are too
young to get a bank or credit card ?

Bevan

Which is precisely the case on First Great Western stations between
Reading and Paddington.

Late at night I've seen some youngsters (under 18) too frightened to
board a train without a ticket because they haven't got a credit card
or their Oyster has run out and the ticketing machines are either out-
of-order or don't take cash anyway. And I have had so many reports of
youngsters being bullied by gateline staff at Ealing Broadway and
Paddington if they turn up without a ticket. This means that many
decide to walk - if a bus wont take them - through some of the most
dangerous areas in West London.

But this refusal to take cash by ticketing machines is a national
disgrace.

In fact in London this affects not only youngsters but also tourists -
and with the Olympic crowds estimated to be 500,000 EXTRA visitors -
National Rail and the traincos really do need to sort out this
ticketing farce and stop deliberately inconveniencing potential
customers.

CJB.

On 23/05/2012 13:35, CJB wrote:
So, how do TOC's expect children to buy a ticket, when they are too
young to get a bank or credit card ?

Bevan

Which is precisely the case on First Great Western stations between
Reading and Paddington.

Late at night I've seen some youngsters (under 18) too frightened to
board a train without a ticket because they haven't got a credit card
or their Oyster has run out and the ticketing machines are either out-
of-order or don't take cash anyway. And I have had so many reports of
youngsters being bullied by gateline staff at Ealing Broadway and
Paddington if they turn up without a ticket. This means that many
decide to walk - if a bus wont take them - through some of the most
dangerous areas in West London.

Is telling ticket gate staff that a machine is broken really more
dangerous than "the most dangerous areas in West London"?

How many 16-17 year olds don't have a bank card these days (under 16
would presuambly get free bus travel with the Oyster)?

But this refusal to take cash by ticketing machines is a national
disgrace.

In fact in London this affects not only youngsters but also tourists -
and with the Olympic crowds estimated to be 500,000 EXTRA visitors -
National Rail and the traincos really do need to sort out this
ticketing farce and stop deliberately inconveniencing potential
customers.

International disgrace - look at the Dutch state railway TVM issues
(unless they've fixed it?).

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On May 24, 8:09*am, Arthur Figgis wrote:

In fact in London this affects not only youngsters but also tourists -
and with the Olympic crowds estimated to be 500,000 EXTRA visitors -
National Rail and the traincos really do need to sort out this
ticketing farce and stop deliberately inconveniencing potential
customers.

International disgrace - look at the Dutch state railway TVM issues
(unless they've fixed it?).

I want CJB to show us one, just one, tourist in London for the
Olympics who does not hold a debit card and exclusively uses cash.

ian

In message
, at
03:03:14 on Thu, 24 May 2012, ian batten
remarked:
I want CJB to show us one, just one, tourist in London for the
Olympics who does not hold a debit card and exclusively uses cash.

At least one will have had their card lost or stolen.

(And they borrowed the cash from a friend, or had it in a different
pocket).
--
Roland Perry

On May 24, 5:34*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

I want CJB to show us one, just one, tourist in London for the
Olympics who does not hold a debit card and exclusively uses cash.

At least one will have had their card lost or stolen.


Perhaps. But it seems awfully expensive to continue to provide cash-
operated TVMs for use cases as narrow as that. Granting free travel
to anyone in possession of a police crime number would be cheaper.

ian

On May 24, 8:36*pm, Owain wrote:
On May 24, 11:03*am, ian batten *wrote:

I want CJB to show us one, just one, tourist in London for the
Olympics who does not hold a debit card and exclusively uses cash.

Many tourists (particularly from the USA) will have debit cards that
aren't chip-and-pin and these (AIUI) no longer work in TVMs.

OK, that's a problem. People from the USA will need to make sure
they've put enough on their Oyster Card, or bought a travelcard or a
return ticket, if they're planning to travel to less well-trafficed
stations.

Handily, Olympic tickets come complete with a cardboard six (nine?)
zone travelcard.

ian

On 24/05/2012 20:36, Owain wrote:
On May 24, 11:03 am, ian batten wrote:
I want CJB to show us one, just one, tourist in London for the
Olympics who does not hold a debit card and exclusively uses cash.

Many tourists (particularly from the USA) will have debit cards that
aren't chip-and-pin and these (AIUI) no longer work in TVMs.

Owain


Since when?

On 24/05/2012 08:09, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 23/05/2012 13:35, CJB wrote:
So, how do TOC's expect children to buy a ticket, when they are too
young to get a bank or credit card ?

Bevan

Which is precisely the case on First Great Western stations between
Reading and Paddington.

Late at night I've seen some youngsters (under 18) too frightened to
board a train without a ticket because they haven't got a credit card
or their Oyster has run out and the ticketing machines are either out-
of-order or don't take cash anyway. And I have had so many reports of
youngsters being bullied by gateline staff at Ealing Broadway and
Paddington if they turn up without a ticket. This means that many
decide to walk - if a bus wont take them - through some of the most
dangerous areas in West London.

Is telling ticket gate staff that a machine is broken really more
dangerous than "the most dangerous areas in West London"?

How many 16-17 year olds don't have a bank card these days (under 16
would presuambly get free bus travel with the Oyster)?

But this refusal to take cash by ticketing machines is a national
disgrace.

In fact in London this affects not only youngsters but also tourists -
and with the Olympic crowds estimated to be 500,000 EXTRA visitors -
National Rail and the traincos really do need to sort out this
ticketing farce and stop deliberately inconveniencing potential
customers.

International disgrace - look at the Dutch state railway TVM issues
(unless they've fixed it?).

It will be an interesting few weeks on the LUL, NR and LOROL -- that
much is certain.

On Thu, 24 May 2012 03:03:14 -0700 (PDT), ian batten
wrote:

On May 24, 8:09*am, Arthur Figgis wrote:

In fact in London this affects not only youngsters but also tourists -
and with the Olympic crowds estimated to be 500,000 EXTRA visitors -
National Rail and the traincos really do need to sort out this
ticketing farce and stop deliberately inconveniencing potential
customers.

International disgrace - look at the Dutch state railway TVM issues
(unless they've fixed it?).

I want CJB to show us one, just one, tourist in London for the
Olympics who does not hold a debit card and exclusively uses cash.

ian

I'm thinking of visitng Blighty from the True North later this year
(after the Olys), and do not possess a debit card, nor have any
intention of obtaining one.

So it's credit card or cash.

On May 25, 9:41*pm, Nobody wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 03:03:14 -0700 (PDT), ian batten









wrote:
On May 24, 8:09*am, Arthur Figgis wrote:

In fact in London this affects not only youngsters but also tourists -
and with the Olympic crowds estimated to be 500,000 EXTRA visitors -
National Rail and the traincos really do need to sort out this
ticketing farce and stop deliberately inconveniencing potential
customers.

International disgrace - look at the Dutch state railway TVM issues
(unless they've fixed it?).

I want CJB to show us one, just one, tourist in London for the
Olympics who does not hold a debit card and exclusively uses cash.

ian

I'm thinking of visitng Blighty from the True North later this year
(after the Olys), and do not possess a debit card, nor have any
intention of obtaining one.

So it's credit card or cash.

So that's fine: all the machines take them.

ian