On May 27, 4:49*pm, allantracy wrote:
Given the expenditure of well over £1.5bn on the Overground network
nothing should be breaking down or requiring extensive replacement on
those sections where the work has been done. Quite what is wrong with
the signalling on the DC lines I don't know. *Failure after failure
and with ridiculously long repair times.

Yeah well London Overground always was just a crap and confusing image
makeover.

Stuck being nether one thing (new underground line) or the other (main
line).

Your remarks surprise me. While the shambles reported here is nothing
of which TfL should be proud. And, the western side of the Overground
need further upgrading (The speed on the Willesden Junction to Clapham
Junction stretch is too low). Overall the Overground is a great
network. It joins together the networks in London proper, and the
parts in annexed Surrey and Kent. It makes journeys possible that
previously required slow bus trips and changes. It makes journeys
between the outlying boroughs doable and enjoyable. The Eastern side
is especially pleasant.

One can nitpick about details. But, overall I am not sure what there
is to dislike about the Overground.

On Jun 2, 12:14*pm, e27002 wrote:
On May 27, 4:49*pm, allantracy wrote:

Given the expenditure of well over £1.5bn on the Overground network
nothing should be breaking down or requiring extensive replacement on
those sections where the work has been done. Quite what is wrong with
the signalling on the DC lines I don't know. *Failure after failure
and with ridiculously long repair times.

Yeah well London Overground always was just a crap and confusing image
makeover.

Stuck being nether one thing (new underground line) or the other (main
line).

Your remarks surprise me. *While the shambles reported here is nothing
of which TfL should be proud. *And, the western side of the Overground
need further upgrading (The speed on the Willesden Junction to Clapham
Junction stretch is too low). *Overall the Overground is a great
network. *It joins together the networks in London proper, and the
parts in annexed Surrey and Kent. *It makes journeys possible that
previously required slow bus trips and changes. *It makes journeys
between the outlying boroughs doable and enjoyable. *The Eastern side
is especially pleasant.

One can nitpick about details. *But, overall I am not sure what there
is to dislike about the Overground.

The overcrowding is probably the worst thing; it's actually been too
successful.

On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:44:31 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Furley
wrote:

On Jun 2, 12:14*pm, e27002 wrote:
On May 27, 4:49*pm, allantracy wrote:

Given the expenditure of well over £1.5bn on the Overground network
nothing should be breaking down or requiring extensive replacement on
those sections where the work has been done. Quite what is wrong with
the signalling on the DC lines I don't know. *Failure after failure
and with ridiculously long repair times.

Yeah well London Overground always was just a crap and confusing image
makeover.

Stuck being nether one thing (new underground line) or the other (main
line).

Your remarks surprise me. *While the shambles reported here is nothing
of which TfL should be proud. *And, the western side of the Overground
need further upgrading (The speed on the Willesden Junction to Clapham
Junction stretch is too low). *Overall the Overground is a great
network. *It joins together the networks in London proper, and the
parts in annexed Surrey and Kent. *It makes journeys possible that
previously required slow bus trips and changes. *It makes journeys
between the outlying boroughs doable and enjoyable. *The Eastern side
is especially pleasant.

One can nitpick about details. *But, overall I am not sure what there
is to dislike about the Overground.

The overcrowding is probably the worst thing; it's actually been too
successful.

Yes, the trains urgently need those fifth cars. It's amazing that
three-car 313s were regarded as adequate not so long ago.

On 02/06/2012 13:14, Recliner wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:44:31 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Furley
wrote:

On Jun 2, 12:14 pm, wrote:
On May 27, 4:49 pm, wrote:

Given the expenditure of well over £1.5bn on the Overground network
nothing should be breaking down or requiring extensive replacement on
those sections where the work has been done. Quite what is wrong with
the signalling on the DC lines I don't know. Failure after failure
and with ridiculously long repair times.

Yeah well London Overground always was just a crap and confusing image
makeover.

Stuck being nether one thing (new underground line) or the other (main
line).

Your remarks surprise me. While the shambles reported here is nothing
of which TfL should be proud. And, the western side of the Overground
need further upgrading (The speed on the Willesden Junction to Clapham
Junction stretch is too low). Overall the Overground is a great
network. It joins together the networks in London proper, and the
parts in annexed Surrey and Kent. It makes journeys possible that
previously required slow bus trips and changes. It makes journeys
between the outlying boroughs doable and enjoyable. The Eastern side
is especially pleasant.

One can nitpick about details. But, overall I am not sure what there
is to dislike about the Overground.

The overcrowding is probably the worst thing; it's actually been too
successful.

Yes, the trains urgently need those fifth cars. It's amazing that
three-car 313s were regarded as adequate not so long ago.

When are those fifth cars due to come into service?

From nationalrail.co.uk:

Incident created 02/06/2012 19:59 Last updated20:34 - 02/06/2012
Route affected
Stratford, Dalston Kingsland, Camden Road, Gospel Oak, West Hampstead,
Kensal Rise, Willesden Junction, Shepherds Bush, Kensington Olympia,
West Brompton, Imperial Wharf & Clapham Junction / Acton Central,
South Acton, Gunnersbury, Kew Gardens & Richmond
Train operator affected London Overground
Description
Overhead wire problems are causing disruption near Willesden Junction.

Because of this, the following changes will apply until further
notice:
There are currently no trains between Willesden Junction and Clapham
Junction
There are currently no trains between Stratford and Richmond
Journeys may be delayed by up to 60 minutes

Passengers may use London Underground services on all reasonable
routes.


--
gordon

On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:45:20 -0700 (PDT), gordonT
wrote:

From nationalrail.co.uk:

Incident created 02/06/2012 19:59 Last updated20:34 - 02/06/2012
Route affected
Stratford, Dalston Kingsland, Camden Road, Gospel Oak, West Hampstead,
Kensal Rise, Willesden Junction, Shepherds Bush, Kensington Olympia,
West Brompton, Imperial Wharf & Clapham Junction / Acton Central,
South Acton, Gunnersbury, Kew Gardens & Richmond
Train operator affected London Overground
Description
Overhead wire problems are causing disruption near Willesden Junction.

Because of this, the following changes will apply until further
notice:
There are currently no trains between Willesden Junction and Clapham
Junction
There are currently no trains between Stratford and Richmond
Journeys may be delayed by up to 60 minutes

Passengers may use London Underground services on all reasonable
routes.

Why exactly is it that _any_ railway problems in London are "chaos"?

--
Frank Erskine

Yesterday I travelled from Stratford to West Hampstead via Kentish Town West.

Paul Corfield wrote on 03 June 2012 09:25:47 ...
On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:45:20 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

From nationalrail.co.uk:

Incident created 02/06/2012 19:59 Last updated20:34 - 02/06/2012
Route affected
Stratford, Dalston Kingsland, Camden Road, Gospel Oak, West Hampstead,
Kensal Rise, Willesden Junction, Shepherds Bush, Kensington Olympia,
West Brompton, Imperial Wharf& Clapham Junction / Acton Central,
South Acton, Gunnersbury, Kew Gardens& Richmond
Train operator affected London Overground
Description
Overhead wire problems are causing disruption near Willesden Junction.

Because of this, the following changes will apply until further
notice:
There are currently no trains between Willesden Junction and Clapham
Junction
There are currently no trains between Stratford and Richmond
Journeys may be delayed by up to 60 minutes

Passengers may use London Underground services on all reasonable
routes.

And it is still ongoing with trains seemingly now running via Primrose
Road between Camden Rd and Willesden Junction. Trains aren't serving
trains west of Kentish Town West. Whatever brought the wires down at
Willesden did a good job if it can't be fixed overnight.

National Rail were saying last night that they hoped to have it fixed by
this morning. It sounds as if they re-opened the line but a train
brought the wires down again. Latest tweet says "Repairs to overhead
line will start after 9am - once we've moved the trapped train."

It's even affecting GOBLIN (which was partly suspended anyway for
engineering work today), presumably because they can't get the DMUs to
Gospel Oak.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
And it is still ongoing with trains seemingly now running via Primrose
Road between Camden Rd and Willesden Junction. Trains aren't serving
trains west of Kentish Town West. Whatever brought the wires down at
Willesden did a good job if it can't be fixed overnight.

I was on the Pathfinder "York Flyer" charter, behind 'Deltic' 55 022 "Royal
Scots Grey". We were held at Camden Road for over half an hour from around
19:20, as we were booked via Gospel Oak and Acton Wells Jn. to gain access
to the GWML, for set down at Didcot Parkway, Oxford, Banbury, Leamington
Spa, Coventry and Birmingham stations.

Information passed to me by colleagues 'in the know' was that a class 378
had brought the wires down at the changeover point from a.c. to d.c.
traction and that the dewirement had then been run into by a service heading
in the opposite direction, causing a minor fire. As a result, neither the
booked route to the GWML nor the alternative, running via Primrose Hill and
Willesden West London Junction, were available. Consequently, the charter
was diverted non-stop down the WCML to Coventry (setting down Cov and
Birmingham passengers, for onward travel via service trains), where the
'Deltic' was run round and the train ran in the opposite direction to that
booked, setting down at Leamington Spa, Banbury and Oxford before
terminating at Didcot Parkway around three hours late at around 23:30. Taxis
were provided for those of us off the direct route, who had missed last
trains!

On 02/06/2012 20:09, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:38:43 +0100, "
wrote:

On 02/06/2012 13:14, Recliner wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:44:31 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Furley
wrote:

On Jun 2, 12:14 pm, wrote:
On May 27, 4:49 pm, wrote:

Given the expenditure of well over £1.5bn on the Overground network
nothing should be breaking down or requiring extensive replacement on
those sections where the work has been done. Quite what is wrong with
the signalling on the DC lines I don't know. Failure after failure
and with ridiculously long repair times.

Yeah well London Overground always was just a crap and confusing image
makeover.

Stuck being nether one thing (new underground line) or the other (main
line).

Your remarks surprise me. While the shambles reported here is nothing
of which TfL should be proud. And, the western side of the Overground
need further upgrading (The speed on the Willesden Junction to Clapham
Junction stretch is too low). Overall the Overground is a great
network. It joins together the networks in London proper, and the
parts in annexed Surrey and Kent. It makes journeys possible that
previously required slow bus trips and changes. It makes journeys
between the outlying boroughs doable and enjoyable. The Eastern side
is especially pleasant.

One can nitpick about details. But, overall I am not sure what there
is to dislike about the Overground.

The overcrowding is probably the worst thing; it's actually been too
successful.

Yes, the trains urgently need those fifth cars. It's amazing that
three-car 313s were regarded as adequate not so long ago.

When are those fifth cars due to come into service?

There is no firm, funded plan for 5 cars on parts of the Overground.
TfL have submitted the proposal as part of their overall submission
for works during Control Period 5 which starts in 2014. The
Government will announce what works it will progress and fund for CP5
in July 2012. My view is that Boris will be "rewarded" for his
Mayoral election victory by government agreeing to either fund
Overground improvements or devolve some franchises to TfL control or
possibly both. I think there is some heavyweight lobbying going on at
the moment.

Which franchises, for example, Northern City Line?