On Jun 25, 9:43*am, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 25/06/12 09:24, CJB wrote:

On Jun 25, 5:06 am, The Real *wrote:
Eleven pounds for six miles one-way (£1.83 per mile) does seem a little
steep by heritage diesel standards. The Wensleydale Railway currently
charges eight pounds for sixteen miles (50p per mile).
Which is probably why few visit it after lunch. Apart from the bus
service(s) not connecting with the train services by minutes, the £11
is a full day rover deal which can really only be enjoyed if arriving
in the morning. From what I have heard the trains in the afternoon are
largely empty, and the last trains of the day completely empty. CJB.

The Wensleydale Railway charges £15 for a day rover, which is very
reasonable.

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I've just had a look at their [EOR] timetable, and it's insane. They must have
spend days working on heritage bus times which miss as many trains as
possible. The 13.35 in question misses departures in both directions by
just a few minutes - but all the previous buses are at xx.25 which would
connect with both trains.

Ian

Quite.

On Jun 24, 6:51*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:02:15 -0700 (PDT)

CJB wrote:
ELEVEN POUNDS FOR A SIX MILE DIESEL JOURNEY IS MORE EXPENSIVE PER MILE
THAN THAT OTHER RIP-OFF THE HEX FROM PADDINGTON TO HEATHROW !!!!!!!

Its a heritage railway and all heritage railways cost a fortune because
they're tourist attractions, not commuter services. Only a bloody idiot
wouldn't realise this.

Although, if the market exists, there is no reason a preserved railway
cannot be both. IIRC The the KWVR opereate trains aimed at the
general public at certain times of the year,

We will NOT be going back to EOR until 1/ their staff improve their
customer contact skills, and 2/ they introduce a proper ticketing
system.

ELEVEN POUNDS FOR A SIX MILE DIESEL JOURNEY IS MORE EXPENSIVE PER MILE
THAN THAT OTHER RIP-OFF THE HEX FROM PADDINGTON TO HEATHROW !!!!!!!

AND WITH THE RUDEST STAFF WE HAVE EVER MET EVEN ABOVE WHAT BR STAFF
USED TO BE.

This is truly bad news.

On first hearing that the Ongar route was going to be preserved, one
was cheered by the thought that this was the perfect route for trains
of a "London" interest. There was the possibility of stations
preserved in LT and GE conditions. Here was somewhere to operate tube
trains and GE suburban steam trains.

Alas, the line, as reported here, is a hodge podge of nothing in
particular. Their bus scheduling effort sounds like something from a
bad sitcom.

Their fares are on the high side, but if all else was b'seder that
would be okay. But, all else, from what you report, is NOT in order.

There is too much rudeness in the UK today. How about preserving the
manners and service ethic associated with the golden age of railways?

Visiting this line was on the "to do" list, but no longer. Why
bother?

Well why not put that in writing to the Railway concerned, they might
not have anyone reading this ng perhaps.

OTOH they may well be aware that there are things that aren't right and
are trying as best they can to put them right, either way feedback good
or bad won't hurt...

I work in a volunteer capacity, non railway, and sometimes its bloody
hard work to get things as they ought be, and sometimes we do get moaned
at and its demoralising. Sometimes we do get praise and that does have a
cheering you on effect, and sometimes we do get constructive well meant
criticism and that in a way is very welcome. In fact we have got some
people who were critics who have now joined us.



--
Tony Sayer

On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 04:41:14 -0700 (PDT)
77002 wrote:
Visiting this line was on the "to do" list, but no longer. Why
bother?

There is no reason to bother - the line itself passes through pretty dull
countryside and there is sod all at ongar and sod all at north weald. There
used to be a great airshow at north weald but London Blunderground killed
that off when they closed the line. It wouldn't have killed them to keep
a couple of miles of single track line in servicable condition for a few
special events but public service isn't something they care much about.
And of EoR can't persuade Blunderground to let them run into Epping I
suspect they're railway will be a dead duck.

B2003

On Jun 8, 12:15*am, Steve Fitzgerald ] wrote:
In message , "
writes

None of your examples involves changing train (and indeed platform) in
order to avoid a walk.
You don't have to change trains to do Leicester Square to Covent Garden,
or Canary Wharf to Heron Quays.

Still, it's a bit of a walk between Holborn and Aldwych

You lot never heard of buses? *It's 2 stops FFS.

Indeed, when I went to the LSE a few weeks ago the TfL planner threw
up an excellent bus direct from Euston, avoiding mucho messing about.
With an Oyster it's no hassle, and the "ah, but using a bus and a tube
costs extra" argument evaporates if you use a bus the whole way.

ian

Half a mile north of Woodford the line is no longer in London. It's in Essex.
London Underground as financed by TfL is unlikely to want to chuck money
at a railway outside London. The Woodford/Hainault loop runs only once
every 20 minutes because, apart from those stations, the route is in Essex.

On Friday, June 8, 2012 12:15:47 PM UTC+1, CJB wrote:
Looking over the road bridge at Epping to see the old Epping - Ongar
tracks below I wonder if they are still energised? Also there seems to
be quite a complex layout - all rusty but all rails still in situ. On
the right there is an elevated line that curves into the trees. Was
this a head-shunt. And on the left another line at a lower elevation
also seems to curve left into the trees. Was this the line to Ongar?
In all there is plenty of room for a new station to link with Epping
Underground. Good luck to the EOR. CJB.

The fourth rail does seem to extend away from Epping station, as viewed from the Station Road bridge. But if you ever walk to Stonards Hill, about half a mile to the north, you will see only two rails, and the same from the footbridge connecting St Margarets Hospital with Coopersale village. So somewhere between Station Rd and Stonards Hill the fourth rail peters out. But it is interesting to see the mushroom-like supports for the electrified rails still largel in place.

As for L11, why not transfer to a shed at either Ongar or North Weald and show it off as LUL heritage for the line?